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spinoza's religious doctrines are more about a criticism on descartes' views, but can give you an insight
i suppose you're already familiar with hegelian absolute
Familiar, by no means a scholar.
hegel emphasises on the connection between *things*, which will be important from where you stand
the connection that initially arises due to things *existing*
Yep, good so far.
and i suppose all the far eastern teachings that will tell you to be a good person and kill your ego won't do any good? that you would rather skip all that shit?
i mean it as it's mostly the far asian philosophy, they actually talk a little about the truth about the matter
Good question. I think the 'spiritual life' is deficient. It can be psychological tool to end suffering in one person, yourself, and presumably try to reduce it in others. However, the whole task has not been very successful. The inward looking Tibet, for example, have been pretty BTFO by atheist Chinese. I am suspect of all mystical claims, it's a kind of reverse-materialism. Now I see this might be a false dichotomy.
Then again, meaning precedes all practical considerations, or at least all consideration are structured around meaningfulness. Following teachings depend on their theological proximity to what you consider to be God.
For me, it seems obvious that the highest meaning is transcendent, and both immanent.
Since an object and its meaning are not inherent.
from where do you structure your moral values? not that strictly as your moral 'codes' but what makes you say that "killing a person is bad"? kant, ten commandments, law?
my brain is starting to decline me, i hope that sentence is understandable to you
haha
It is. Well, once you recognise God, then religion must follow since activity follows meaning. Maybe God doesn't need you to do anything. I'm still unclear of this point, only recently coming from an amoral viewpoint.
so your reasoning that you don't need any reasoning behind the morals because god is obviously smarter/wiser than you to know what's right and what's wrong and that makes you believe in them?
It's pretty organic, I would think. Indeed, my reasoning is obsolete.
i mean, considering you are applying rational thinking to morals too, like everything
you might as well not, i am no one to judge that
And different groups compete to prove what those are.
amorality is the stance everyone initially has, only the values shape the moral structure of people, think of a tribe in amazons that are sacrificing and cannibalizing people for their god and compare it to your or any westerner's morals
with "killing a person is bad"
Pretty much. However that mote of worship no longer exists.
this is what makes kant wrong
it might not exist
i can just build a religion like that
that will be my morals because i believe in it
that a bloodthirsty god needs some virgin sacrifice
I agree. It's not the 'badness' that makes it wrong. It's wrong before it competes with other ideas, ones that you might have.
that's only an example, it can be expanded really, think of stealing someone's property in an ancom community or whatever
I think we are on the same page here.
and i really forgot what we were on before
haha
Rational thinking is a kind of secular morality.
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you think?
it might just make you reach god
and go full zealot
because that would be the absolute truth after that point