Why should you follow it? The values in which it has taught, the triumphs it has had, and the progress it has given to Europe.

>Any longer
What do you mean by this?

As well as the constant, this more so in the past, struggle for reimporvement upon our understandings of the Bible.

I mean... What were Jews at the time that the faith risen?

And along with that, the churches are corrupt, and are controlled.

They were, one, against Christianity for the most part.

And at the same time, the Juden have became such an alien from what they origianlly were spawned as.

The Catholic Church is corrupt.

This *is* why the reformation happened.

Indulgences, ever heard them?

@Anglican At the time, they killed jesus the jew, caused the total collapse of the roman empire, and more.

>Killed Jesus the Jew

Do you not see how they were opposed to it?

As to the collaspe of the Roman Empire; Empires are bad in general within a nationalistic world view.

Are they not? Just like international capitailism.

It denies persons their right to nationhood and statehood.

It is hard to say, but if I had to guess, it is due to him gaining too much power.

Just like the U.S. cult, just like the E.U. idocracy...

They're large Empires in truth, maintaining control over large nations and peoples without any solid connection to these people.

And what are you to do when the only tribes outside the romans were just nomad's who wanted to pillage the romans, and had no identity at all?

Stalin dindu nuffin

Well, still.

The collapse was a historical nessescity to where we are now.

Who are you to say?

Not to mention the cultural degeneration that was happening at the time.

Cause... If it never did or stayed around for a much longer it would have began to assimlate in and enslave peoples in a sense of wider nationhood and identity, regardless if these people didn't have one at the time.

I wonder why, when that jew loving jesus was spreading his religion around.

Correlation doesn't inherently entell... However you say it.

Causation!

What are you getting at?

"I wonder why, when that jew loving jesus was spreading his religion around."

This refers to the death of the Empire; does it not?

Specifically, the social degredation.

I'm not exactly sure what Jesus had to do with it.

Let me speak as you would to get it into your Ironmarcher mind.

So, there's this Jew in the middle east

spreading around a faith of strength in persiticution and self-sacrifice for the lord....

It is due to jesus himself being jewish, and him spreading his beliefs, to where he had to be put down.

And then, through democracy, he is executed. Meanwhile, the comfrontable Romans

began to take upon sodomy as practice

and so on...