As to the collaspe of the Roman Empire; Empires are bad in general within a nationalistic world view.

Are they not? Just like international capitailism.

It denies persons their right to nationhood and statehood.

It is hard to say, but if I had to guess, it is due to him gaining too much power.

Just like the U.S. cult, just like the E.U. idocracy...

They're large Empires in truth, maintaining control over large nations and peoples without any solid connection to these people.

And what are you to do when the only tribes outside the romans were just nomad's who wanted to pillage the romans, and had no identity at all?

Stalin dindu nuffin

Well, still.

The collapse was a historical nessescity to where we are now.

Who are you to say?

Not to mention the cultural degeneration that was happening at the time.

Cause... If it never did or stayed around for a much longer it would have began to assimlate in and enslave peoples in a sense of wider nationhood and identity, regardless if these people didn't have one at the time.

I wonder why, when that jew loving jesus was spreading his religion around.

Correlation doesn't inherently entell... However you say it.

Causation!

What are you getting at?

"I wonder why, when that jew loving jesus was spreading his religion around."

This refers to the death of the Empire; does it not?

Specifically, the social degredation.

I'm not exactly sure what Jesus had to do with it.

Let me speak as you would to get it into your Ironmarcher mind.

So, there's this Jew in the middle east

spreading around a faith of strength in persiticution and self-sacrifice for the lord....

It is due to jesus himself being jewish, and him spreading his beliefs, to where he had to be put down.

And then, through democracy, he is executed. Meanwhile, the comfrontable Romans

began to take upon sodomy as practice

and so on...

General decadence.

This of course, triggered the revolt that we saw.

I just...

How was the Roman Empire good?

I mean really, you seem to be focusing that the collaspe coninsided with the birth of Christidom.

The late romans, were not good at all.

It was corrupted.

Of course, and this was why it collapse.

And eventually buckled and collapsed.

*collapsed

Besides; let me bring this other issue up to you. Did Christian morality and envanglisation spread progress across Europe?

I wonder why that would be, when a new abrahamic religion was spreading like wildfire, and caused revolts all across the empire, leading to social degeneracy and eventual collapse.

Yeah, and after?