Message from @quiscalus

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2017-12-05 09:18:10 UTC  

Easy reads compared to the more dense tomes that are available.

2017-12-05 09:18:24 UTC  

not saying any side is wrong or right, i just encourage people to check out each side of the spectrum

2017-12-05 09:18:33 UTC  

why do people not make leftist theory easier to process the right seems to be doing a great job at breaking down their views to attract the white working class as they lose power

2017-12-05 09:19:01 UTC  

I've been a Marxist for a few years now and am intimately familiar with various schools of thought, such as Austrolibertarianism and Keynesianism.

2017-12-05 09:19:28 UTC  

I had to educate and annihilate an Ancap the other day.

2017-12-05 09:19:45 UTC  

that's another thing

2017-12-05 09:19:52 UTC  

whatever you do, don't become an anarchist

2017-12-05 09:20:01 UTC  

their rhetoric sounds nice, their policies not so

2017-12-05 09:20:06 UTC  

because well

2017-12-05 09:20:08 UTC  

they have none

2017-12-05 09:20:09 UTC  

He assumed that because I was a Marxist, I hadn't read guys like Menger, Von Mises, Hayek and Rothbard. He was sorely mistaken.

2017-12-05 09:20:20 UTC  

yeah I used to be a 19yo anprim and read zerzan and TK but I think it is a bit absurd

2017-12-05 09:20:38 UTC  

Anprim is complete and utter garbage.

2017-12-05 09:20:50 UTC  

i'm still gonna tell you though

2017-12-05 09:21:00 UTC  

i wouldn't read exclusively leftist ideology

2017-12-05 09:21:05 UTC  

i would read from both sides

2017-12-05 09:21:09 UTC  

that's what i did

2017-12-05 09:21:20 UTC  

I read have been on leftypol for a while but it is not a very good climate to introduce ideas because they think giving people a PDF and saying they don't want to spoon feed people, but I think if you want to attract the general public the left needs to make things easier and more accessible

2017-12-05 09:21:21 UTC  

choose what sounds the best

2017-12-05 09:21:36 UTC  

Read into Neoclassical and Austrian theory, but first make sure you're well grounded in Marxism.

2017-12-05 09:22:08 UTC  

I read some austrian economics stuff when I was younger

2017-12-05 09:22:40 UTC  

is stuff like jacobin good because that is what the local DSA is promoting in their reading group

2017-12-05 09:22:56 UTC  

Marxists.org is a highly valuable resource to further your knowledge. You won't have to spend a time to educate yourself on theory that way.

2017-12-05 09:23:55 UTC  

I only ready the super short communist manifesto which is interesting I am just not sure about a command economy because I have yet to see a functional one historically

2017-12-05 09:24:22 UTC  

The DSA is really nothing more than the radical wing of the Democratic Party.

2017-12-05 09:24:30 UTC  

how do you know what is good theory is there a way to test the validity of one mode of thought over another?

2017-12-05 09:24:55 UTC  

And Jacobin puts out good stuff on occasion but for the most part they are pretty liberal.

2017-12-05 09:25:09 UTC  

yeah I mainly approach the left because I am motivated by a moral philosophy that I think fits pretty well with it

2017-12-05 09:25:39 UTC  

Just examine the results of the practical application of a given theory in the historical record.

2017-12-05 09:26:39 UTC  

yeah that's why I question anarchism because it appears every manifestation of leftism on a large scale seems to meet a violent end from outside nations unless they have a military

2017-12-05 09:26:48 UTC  

For example, the command-style economy of the USSR effectively transformed a backwater, semi-feudal nation into an industrialized superpower in just a few decades.

2017-12-05 09:27:23 UTC  

It's almost mind-boggling.

2017-12-05 09:27:45 UTC  

yeah I think they could have done that will out all the social repression but that is just my opinion on the matter

2017-12-05 09:28:20 UTC  

now i don't mean to start an argument here, but has marxism ever been attempted at all?

2017-12-05 09:28:22 UTC  

yeah both china and russia were transformed from dramatically poor agrarian societies to modern wealthy educated industrial ones in a very short time

2017-12-05 09:28:48 UTC  

I am not super well read but based on the outline in the communist manifesto I think not

2017-12-05 09:30:09 UTC  

One thing you have to understand is that they were literally surrounded by capitalo-imperialist nations whose mission was to crush what they perceived as a fundamental threat to their way of life. In the early years of the socialist experiment in Russia, 7 foreign powers sent in armies in an attempt to stop the Bolsheviks in their tracks.

2017-12-05 09:30:18 UTC  

has there ever been a command economy with democratic representation? didn't the soviet state replace capitalists with bureaucrats who controlled production, distribution, etc?

2017-12-05 09:30:53 UTC  

They failed. I suggest you look into Soviet Democracy, which was a form of Direct-Democracy.

2017-12-05 09:31:00 UTC  

that is true every state trying to achieve leftist aims faces opposition from other forces

2017-12-05 09:31:47 UTC  

shit look and thomas sankara france murdered him pretty quickly to reestablish control of the former colony even in the 80s