Message from @quiscalus

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2017-12-05 11:43:21 UTC  

they were basing it off the fed's interest rates

2017-12-05 11:43:31 UTC  

they wanted to stimulate the housing market

2017-12-05 11:43:38 UTC  

so they tried stimulating the housing market

2017-12-05 11:43:48 UTC  

they ended up stimulating the housing market too much

2017-12-05 11:44:03 UTC  

then pop

2017-12-05 11:46:04 UTC  

I am not sure markets are the best way to make sure people get what they need, maybe what they want but not what they need

2017-12-05 11:47:28 UTC  

markets are the only way people can get what they need

2017-12-05 11:47:53 UTC  

without markets, you must either make your own food daily or have the government feed you

2017-12-05 11:48:07 UTC  

and the government will not feed you, you can bet on that

2017-12-05 11:48:11 UTC  

hasn't the state provided goods and services in the past and made sure the it was based on need over wealth?

2017-12-05 11:48:28 UTC  

well, they have provided goods

2017-12-05 11:48:49 UTC  

what about healthcare many modern western nations have universal healthcare

2017-12-05 11:48:53 UTC  

however, every time a government does this for a certain sector of the market, it ends up doing a worse job than the private sector

2017-12-05 11:49:11 UTC  

The subprime mortgage crises contributed to the recession, yes. Subprime lending and speculation were major factors. What preceded the crisis was a housing bubble financed with mortgage-backed securities and collaterized debt obligations which initially had higher interest rates than government securities.

2017-12-05 11:49:19 UTC  

no matter how good it may sound, giving the government power over some market always makes it worse

2017-12-05 11:49:38 UTC  

needed medical care is run by the state, luxury medical care like cosmetic surgery is a private affair

2017-12-05 11:49:51 UTC  

well yes, and the fed stimulated that bubble

2017-12-05 11:50:40 UTC  

if healthcare was left up to the private sector, that will lead to competition, which means = higher quality care and lower prices

2017-12-05 11:51:02 UTC  

in the long term it will be beneficial

2017-12-05 11:51:21 UTC  

moving from government to private is always a rough transition in the short term

2017-12-05 11:51:35 UTC  

I wouldn't be so against tmarkets and private sector if distribution of goods and services weren't solely based on income and were based on need

2017-12-05 11:51:53 UTC  

well that is the thing

2017-12-05 11:52:06 UTC  

that may be the case, but the government can't provide for peoples' needs

2017-12-05 11:52:11 UTC  

it's impossible

2017-12-05 11:52:18 UTC  

you've seen it tried in the ussr

2017-12-05 11:52:23 UTC  

then what happened

2017-12-05 11:52:26 UTC  

food shortages

2017-12-05 11:52:28 UTC  

starvation

2017-12-05 11:52:30 UTC  

bread lines

2017-12-05 11:52:37 UTC  

not just in the ussr

2017-12-05 11:52:38 UTC  

if that is so why isn't the country with the highest life expectancy a country with only private healthcare?

2017-12-05 11:52:42 UTC  

cuba

2017-12-05 11:52:48 UTC  

name other socialist states

2017-12-05 11:52:54 UTC  

everywhere you will find food shortages

2017-12-05 11:53:10 UTC  

I think the main issue is the lack of democracy in situations of a command economy

2017-12-05 11:53:23 UTC  

no, the problem is the command economy

2017-12-05 11:53:36 UTC  

democracy just lets you elect a new dictator in a command economy

2017-12-05 11:53:57 UTC  

if you have people having no say in what needs to be produced and leave it to bureaucrats you are probably much worse off

2017-12-05 11:54:26 UTC  

well yes of course

2017-12-05 11:54:52 UTC  

I am not for a total command economy I would like to make sure the state provides the needs of the people but I would like to see some luxury items provided by the market

2017-12-05 11:55:13 UTC  

well see you're missing the point of the free market