Message from @quiscalus

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2017-12-05 11:49:19 UTC  

no matter how good it may sound, giving the government power over some market always makes it worse

2017-12-05 11:49:38 UTC  

needed medical care is run by the state, luxury medical care like cosmetic surgery is a private affair

2017-12-05 11:49:51 UTC  

well yes, and the fed stimulated that bubble

2017-12-05 11:50:40 UTC  

if healthcare was left up to the private sector, that will lead to competition, which means = higher quality care and lower prices

2017-12-05 11:51:02 UTC  

in the long term it will be beneficial

2017-12-05 11:51:21 UTC  

moving from government to private is always a rough transition in the short term

2017-12-05 11:51:35 UTC  

I wouldn't be so against tmarkets and private sector if distribution of goods and services weren't solely based on income and were based on need

2017-12-05 11:51:53 UTC  

well that is the thing

2017-12-05 11:52:06 UTC  

that may be the case, but the government can't provide for peoples' needs

2017-12-05 11:52:11 UTC  

it's impossible

2017-12-05 11:52:18 UTC  

you've seen it tried in the ussr

2017-12-05 11:52:23 UTC  

then what happened

2017-12-05 11:52:26 UTC  

food shortages

2017-12-05 11:52:28 UTC  

starvation

2017-12-05 11:52:30 UTC  

bread lines

2017-12-05 11:52:37 UTC  

not just in the ussr

2017-12-05 11:52:38 UTC  

if that is so why isn't the country with the highest life expectancy a country with only private healthcare?

2017-12-05 11:52:42 UTC  

cuba

2017-12-05 11:52:48 UTC  

name other socialist states

2017-12-05 11:52:54 UTC  

everywhere you will find food shortages

2017-12-05 11:53:10 UTC  

I think the main issue is the lack of democracy in situations of a command economy

2017-12-05 11:53:23 UTC  

no, the problem is the command economy

2017-12-05 11:53:36 UTC  

democracy just lets you elect a new dictator in a command economy

2017-12-05 11:53:57 UTC  

if you have people having no say in what needs to be produced and leave it to bureaucrats you are probably much worse off

2017-12-05 11:54:26 UTC  

well yes of course

2017-12-05 11:54:52 UTC  

I am not for a total command economy I would like to make sure the state provides the needs of the people but I would like to see some luxury items provided by the market

2017-12-05 11:55:13 UTC  

well see you're missing the point of the free market

2017-12-05 11:55:16 UTC  

sorry I am distracted my roomies fuck super loud

2017-12-05 11:55:29 UTC  

the point of the free market is to HELP consumers, believe it or not

2017-12-05 11:55:35 UTC  

let me explain

2017-12-05 11:55:48 UTC  

business owners compete with each other in various markets

2017-12-05 11:55:56 UTC  

my problem with the free market is the more money you have the more say you have in what is produced

2017-12-05 11:56:09 UTC  

as they compete, they compete to make better products at lower prices

2017-12-05 11:56:19 UTC  

and as they compete, wages increase with it

2017-12-05 11:56:33 UTC  

competition is the self-regulating invisible hand

2017-12-05 11:56:44 UTC  

I think products can get better with competition but I am not sure if wages increase

2017-12-05 11:57:03 UTC  

don't wages fall with larger labor pools

2017-12-05 11:57:04 UTC  

?

2017-12-05 11:57:10 UTC  

wages do end up increasing

2017-12-05 11:57:21 UTC  

logically, a business would not want to lower wages

2017-12-05 11:57:28 UTC  

because if they did, people would leave them