then what happened

food shortages

starvation

bread lines

not just in the ussr

if that is so why isn't the country with the highest life expectancy a country with only private healthcare?

cuba

name other socialist states

everywhere you will find food shortages

I think the main issue is the lack of democracy in situations of a command economy

no, the problem is the command economy

democracy just lets you elect a new dictator in a command economy

if you have people having no say in what needs to be produced and leave it to bureaucrats you are probably much worse off

well yes of course

I am not for a total command economy I would like to make sure the state provides the needs of the people but I would like to see some luxury items provided by the market

well see you're missing the point of the free market

sorry I am distracted my roomies fuck super loud

the point of the free market is to HELP consumers, believe it or not

let me explain

business owners compete with each other in various markets

my problem with the free market is the more money you have the more say you have in what is produced

as they compete, they compete to make better products at lower prices

and as they compete, wages increase with it

competition is the self-regulating invisible hand

I think products can get better with competition but I am not sure if wages increase

don't wages fall with larger labor pools

?

wages do end up increasing

logically, a business would not want to lower wages

because if they did, people would leave them

and work for other businesses

then, they go out of business

if it makes them more money they would that happened at my work, they offered less pay and gave less benefits

lots of people who work for them don't have a choice I can't leave because I need money to afford housing etc.

well, we've identified the problem in your situation

they can lower wages because they are a local monopoly

I don't have any capital because I am a wage worker?

that should not happen in a capitalist society

see

what we have right now

is more or less corporatism