Message from @olev

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2017-12-07 22:42:58 UTC  

or they just think a state is only not corrupt when other trots rule it

2017-12-07 22:43:17 UTC  

how do you stop the state to selling to revisionism and the west

2017-12-07 22:43:22 UTC  

permanent rev is sick btw

2017-12-07 22:43:23 UTC  

Wouldn't an issue with labor credits be inflation due to former "low wage" long hour jobs draining the labor credits.

2017-12-07 22:43:25 UTC  

Trotskyists don't support a one party state

2017-12-07 22:43:28 UTC  

generally

2017-12-07 22:43:59 UTC  

How would there be inflation

2017-12-07 22:44:07 UTC  

They are representative of labor time

2017-12-07 22:44:24 UTC  

so you support a socialist state with multiple left wing parties?

2017-12-07 22:44:32 UTC  
2017-12-07 22:44:43 UTC  

I support a multi-party soviet democracy

2017-12-07 22:44:45 UTC  

the dprk has 2 other parties lol

2017-12-07 22:45:20 UTC  

So while the party that leads a revolution may be trotskyist, a workers state wouldn't be trotskyist

2017-12-07 22:45:24 UTC  

or stalinist

2017-12-07 22:45:24 UTC  

labor checks 1) only show the amount of labor-time done and 2) are not accumulative in the same sense as money

2017-12-07 22:45:56 UTC  

honestly i like that idea but what if people vote for the party that wants to make capitalist reforms

2017-12-07 22:46:06 UTC  

Only socialist parties are legal

2017-12-07 22:46:13 UTC  

No bourgeois parties

2017-12-07 22:46:20 UTC  

ok last question

2017-12-07 22:46:23 UTC  

gulags?

2017-12-07 22:46:40 UTC  

I mean gulags are no different than prison

2017-12-07 22:46:48 UTC  

is that something we're actually considering lol

2017-12-07 22:47:10 UTC  

Though in the USSR the gulags were in poor condition

2017-12-07 22:47:12 UTC  

the USA prisons are basically gulags

2017-12-07 22:47:15 UTC  

and often abusive

2017-12-07 22:47:26 UTC  

@Deleted User are you a commie

2017-12-07 22:47:26 UTC  

gulags where working prisons dedleg

2017-12-07 22:47:35 UTC  

Anyways

2017-12-07 22:47:39 UTC  

and they stopped operating in the 50's

2017-12-07 22:47:44 UTC  

There's this guy called Paul Cockshott @Deleted User

2017-12-07 22:47:48 UTC  

back when every other country stopped labor camps

2017-12-07 22:47:54 UTC  

He wrote a good modern day thing about why social democracy is not good

2017-12-07 22:47:59 UTC  

almost all countries but the USA JAJ

2017-12-07 22:48:04 UTC  

I'm still reading, I know I'm a socialist but I don't have a specific tendency or anything

2017-12-07 22:48:06 UTC  

Do you have it easily availible?

2017-12-07 22:48:08 UTC  

A couple paragraphs

2017-12-07 22:48:11 UTC  

I can copy and paste it

2017-12-07 22:48:16 UTC  

dedleg read bordiga

2017-12-07 22:48:31 UTC  

I am

2017-12-07 22:48:34 UTC  

actually

2017-12-07 22:48:35 UTC  

lmao