Message from @Trve Metalist

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2017-12-07 22:38:36 UTC  

yeah its all words anyway and that doesnt matter

2017-12-07 22:38:51 UTC  

Anyways, the socialist mode of production is a historical phase in which production is solely for use and there is no law of value

2017-12-07 22:39:25 UTC  

To each according to his contribution

2017-12-07 22:39:28 UTC  

via labor credit

2017-12-07 22:39:39 UTC  

A system based on merit.

2017-12-07 22:39:52 UTC  

If you believe that labor is merit, then yes

2017-12-07 22:40:16 UTC  

People are reciprocated based upon their labor time

2017-12-07 22:40:56 UTC  

is the LTV outdated tbh?

2017-12-07 22:41:07 UTC  

Honestly, I think that's a very fair way to do things. I assume the state runs the labor credit distribution?

2017-12-07 22:41:21 UTC  

Now, obviously there is a transitional stage between capitalism and socialism

2017-12-07 22:41:21 UTC  

yes

2017-12-07 22:41:53 UTC  

olev can you help me understand trots, if you hate beroucracy arent you basically anarchist?

2017-12-07 22:41:58 UTC  

@Deleted User I believe so

2017-12-07 22:42:15 UTC  

@Trve Metalist 🤔

2017-12-07 22:42:39 UTC  

are trots anti state?

2017-12-07 22:42:39 UTC  

Anyways, labor credit, or labor vouchers

2017-12-07 22:42:47 UTC  

They are not money as they do not circulate

2017-12-07 22:42:51 UTC  
2017-12-07 22:42:58 UTC  

or they just think a state is only not corrupt when other trots rule it

2017-12-07 22:43:17 UTC  

how do you stop the state to selling to revisionism and the west

2017-12-07 22:43:22 UTC  

permanent rev is sick btw

2017-12-07 22:43:23 UTC  

Wouldn't an issue with labor credits be inflation due to former "low wage" long hour jobs draining the labor credits.

2017-12-07 22:43:25 UTC  

Trotskyists don't support a one party state

2017-12-07 22:43:28 UTC  

generally

2017-12-07 22:43:59 UTC  

How would there be inflation

2017-12-07 22:44:07 UTC  

They are representative of labor time

2017-12-07 22:44:24 UTC  

so you support a socialist state with multiple left wing parties?

2017-12-07 22:44:32 UTC  
2017-12-07 22:44:43 UTC  

I support a multi-party soviet democracy

2017-12-07 22:44:45 UTC  

the dprk has 2 other parties lol

2017-12-07 22:45:20 UTC  

So while the party that leads a revolution may be trotskyist, a workers state wouldn't be trotskyist

2017-12-07 22:45:24 UTC  

or stalinist

2017-12-07 22:45:24 UTC  

labor checks 1) only show the amount of labor-time done and 2) are not accumulative in the same sense as money

2017-12-07 22:45:56 UTC  

honestly i like that idea but what if people vote for the party that wants to make capitalist reforms

2017-12-07 22:46:06 UTC  

Only socialist parties are legal

2017-12-07 22:46:13 UTC  

No bourgeois parties

2017-12-07 22:46:20 UTC  

ok last question

2017-12-07 22:46:23 UTC  

gulags?

2017-12-07 22:46:40 UTC  

I mean gulags are no different than prison

2017-12-07 22:46:48 UTC  

is that something we're actually considering lol

2017-12-07 22:47:10 UTC  

Though in the USSR the gulags were in poor condition