is the LTV outdated tbh?

Honestly, I think that's a very fair way to do things. I assume the state runs the labor credit distribution?

Now, obviously there is a transitional stage between capitalism and socialism

yes

olev can you help me understand trots, if you hate beroucracy arent you basically anarchist?

@Deleted User I believe so

@Trve Metalist 🤔

are trots anti state?

Anyways, labor credit, or labor vouchers

They are not money as they do not circulate

@Trve Metalist No

or they just think a state is only not corrupt when other trots rule it

how do you stop the state to selling to revisionism and the west

permanent rev is sick btw

Wouldn't an issue with labor credits be inflation due to former "low wage" long hour jobs draining the labor credits.

Trotskyists don't support a one party state

generally

How would there be inflation

They are representative of labor time

so you support a socialist state with multiple left wing parties?

Yes @Trve Metalist

I support a multi-party soviet democracy

the dprk has 2 other parties lol

So while the party that leads a revolution may be trotskyist, a workers state wouldn't be trotskyist

or stalinist

labor checks 1) only show the amount of labor-time done and 2) are not accumulative in the same sense as money

honestly i like that idea but what if people vote for the party that wants to make capitalist reforms

Only socialist parties are legal

No bourgeois parties

ok last question

gulags?

I mean gulags are no different than prison

is that something we're actually considering lol

Though in the USSR the gulags were in poor condition

the USA prisons are basically gulags

and often abusive

@Deleted User are you a commie

gulags where working prisons dedleg

Anyways

and they stopped operating in the 50's

There's this guy called Paul Cockshott @Deleted User