I find it funny that Cloward and Piven pandered to the Democratic Party.

I am ignorant of the Cloward-Piven strategy, what is it?

They were clearly not Marxists and I've heard more convincing arguments for a UBI that weren't over-idealistic in approach and intended results.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy

I try to explain marxist ideas to my fellow workers but using language rather than talking about how their labor is exploited by capitalists I say they get ripped off, and I just explain that the dudes who own all the stuff at the place we work give us less money than we make for them and make all the decisions on the place is run despite us doing most of the work

That is the best way to do it. You should always strive for simplicity when trying to explain complicated ideas.

use ideas like 99 percent

that is why occupy wall st was so popular

also explain how it is not fair because him and his family are rich because the work we do and how we struggle to pay rent and afford basic things but things would change if we all had a say compared to the boss making all the decisions

yeah that had lots of potential but I think got fractured into many different causes and got bogged down with organizing in a less functional way like getting caught up with idpol in regards to decision making like the progressive stack and the like

Exactly. Idpol is cancerous.

Who here is familiar with the book 'Rules for radicals'?

I have heard of it

I never read it

I am. I have a copy on my shelf. It's an interesting read and Saul Alinsky was a great organizer.

He was certainly worthy of the title, "Father of Community Organizing". His tactics have been proven effective time and time again.

@Deleted User True that.

do you guys know many anarchists? I have lots of friends that identify that way and never handle any cases of interpersonal violence in a constructive manner people do really bad things towards each other like sexual assault but refuse to involve the state so people who commit the crimes go unpunished but just are shunned by some and spoken ill of on social media

Well, Gary is an Anarcho-Stalinist.. ;P

I am not for vigilantism in the least and the whole situation frustrates me to no end

Here is a pdf of the book I strongly suggest everyone reads it:https://chisineu.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/saul-alinsky-rules-for-radicals-1989.pdf

thanks

I've met a few serious anarchists and lifestylists, but their idealism and complete disconnect from reality was far from appealing. I also went through a phase, around the time I joined the IWW, where I considered myself an Anarcho-Syndicalist. I enjoyed reading Insurrectionary Anarchist literature as well. Lol

The earth is flat

Btw

I am think there is a serious flaws in the criminal justice system and major abuses by the police but I don't reject the idea as a whole, I just hate to see people who really harm others not punished in any way or if innocent slandered with no recourse

the problem with police is that they serve the interests of the rich and elite

like I have friends that ended up murdering a person in a robbery for drugs and my leftist friends want them to go free, I think it is absurdf

Punishment does nothing

not to protect and serve the people

Literally

that comes later

It’s all about rehabilitation

Not punishment

Exactly. They exist only to protect and serve the interests of the bourgeoisie.

Um you know that’s not true right

Um, I know it is.

That is not there sole purpose

I think he should do what is best to help society function well and reform people but I am not against a rigged system in favor of no system at all

If you think that you are beyond delusional

like my old friend and roommate murdered someone and my friends don't think the state should act