@quiscalus Yeah, I tend to ground my analysis in world-systems theory, as well dependency theory. I don't believe there's revolutionary potential in the first world, at least not currently. There are too many workers who have been essentially "bought-out" by the system and are beneficiaries of the superprofits that are extracted via the hyperexploitation of the proletariat in the third world. There is little to no incentive for revolution here and class-conciousness is at an all-time low.

That is, of course, not an excuse for inaction. On the contrary, I believe resistance is crucial.

How's it hanging bruhs

yeah I do consider that a major problem here but as I think as the economic strength of the US withers and material conditions become worse with people especially with automation I think the ideas of socialism with gain more traction

maybe she stole them

Maybe @Trve Metalist

But she's not black so probably not

friendly reminder to steal

its good

its free

and you will not get caught

@quiscalus Oh, I definitely sympathize with you. That's highly plausible.

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What do you guys think of the Cloward-Piven strategy as a way to overthrow capitalism?

I just feel like most of the people I know or work with just will not be swayed by the tactics used by most leftist organizations even reformists soc dems like the DSA sport hammer and sickles on red tshirts and use marxist jargon

I don't believe that will end poverty, and it certainly won't bring about socialism.

like my friend and coworker thinks the working situation is unfair but in a general sense but lacks understanding behind the inequality of power and wealth in regards to capital and labor, he is a great guy but only read part of a book in his life oustide of school

I find it funny that Cloward and Piven pandered to the Democratic Party.

I am ignorant of the Cloward-Piven strategy, what is it?

They were clearly not Marxists and I've heard more convincing arguments for a UBI that weren't over-idealistic in approach and intended results.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy

I try to explain marxist ideas to my fellow workers but using language rather than talking about how their labor is exploited by capitalists I say they get ripped off, and I just explain that the dudes who own all the stuff at the place we work give us less money than we make for them and make all the decisions on the place is run despite us doing most of the work

That is the best way to do it. You should always strive for simplicity when trying to explain complicated ideas.

use ideas like 99 percent

that is why occupy wall st was so popular

also explain how it is not fair because him and his family are rich because the work we do and how we struggle to pay rent and afford basic things but things would change if we all had a say compared to the boss making all the decisions

yeah that had lots of potential but I think got fractured into many different causes and got bogged down with organizing in a less functional way like getting caught up with idpol in regards to decision making like the progressive stack and the like

Exactly. Idpol is cancerous.

Who here is familiar with the book 'Rules for radicals'?

I have heard of it

I never read it

I am. I have a copy on my shelf. It's an interesting read and Saul Alinsky was a great organizer.

He was certainly worthy of the title, "Father of Community Organizing". His tactics have been proven effective time and time again.

@Deleted User True that.

do you guys know many anarchists? I have lots of friends that identify that way and never handle any cases of interpersonal violence in a constructive manner people do really bad things towards each other like sexual assault but refuse to involve the state so people who commit the crimes go unpunished but just are shunned by some and spoken ill of on social media

Well, Gary is an Anarcho-Stalinist.. ;P

I am not for vigilantism in the least and the whole situation frustrates me to no end

Here is a pdf of the book I strongly suggest everyone reads it:https://chisineu.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/saul-alinsky-rules-for-radicals-1989.pdf

thanks

I've met a few serious anarchists and lifestylists, but their idealism and complete disconnect from reality was far from appealing. I also went through a phase, around the time I joined the IWW, where I considered myself an Anarcho-Syndicalist. I enjoyed reading Insurrectionary Anarchist literature as well. Lol