Message from @Cam

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2018-01-10 17:48:03 UTC  

Atleast in the case of America and a lesser extent Europe

2018-01-10 17:48:35 UTC  

Which means ethnonationalism is indeed ass

2018-01-10 17:48:42 UTC  

Within these given contexts anyway

2018-01-10 17:49:20 UTC  

But America is not a supermajority, it has extremely large ethnic minorities.
Europe has got larger white majorities but it isn't because the whites bullied blacks out of Europe it's because not many came to Europe in the first place.

2018-01-10 17:49:23 UTC  

Its how the ethnic nationalism is used

2018-01-10 17:49:34 UTC  

It does NOW

2018-01-10 17:50:02 UTC  

But it didn't, and when it didnt, It was a matter of social construction

2018-01-10 17:50:08 UTC  

In the case of America obviously

2018-01-10 17:50:16 UTC  

You talking about Jim Crowe?

2018-01-10 17:50:28 UTC  

And no with Europe it was literally keeping people out, or rather preoccupying them in their own lands through imperialism

2018-01-10 17:50:54 UTC  

It wasn't till after the western world had their way with everyone else that masses began to immigrate

2018-01-10 17:51:03 UTC  

But again, that shouldn't justify ethnic nationalism

2018-01-10 17:51:27 UTC  

Especially when the only reason it's even a topic of debate at this point is as a result of dubious policy that now potentially "threatens" It

2018-01-10 17:51:53 UTC  

As if the only thing that goes into being a member of a nation, is ethnicity

2018-01-10 17:53:13 UTC  

And when you point out African super majorities

2018-01-10 17:53:21 UTC  

You deny a whole history prior to what the 70s

2018-01-10 17:53:44 UTC  

Well I think the last bit of white majority holding ended in the 70s

2018-01-10 17:54:04 UTC  

But the point was "ethnic supermajority" or not, it obviously didn't matter too much

2018-01-10 17:54:46 UTC  

The states were governed by those not of that supermajority with the support of regional strongmen that turned into dictators later :l

2018-01-10 17:56:40 UTC  

So yea it's entirely a bad thing because they never just find themselves maintained naturally because "why not" it's a matter of economic and racial dimensions, a deliberate choice. To the detriment of brown people globally :l

2018-01-10 17:57:47 UTC  

So you do not disagree with "not many came to Europe in the first place." and then you went on a tirade about imperialism and what it means to be a member of a nation?
Aight.
And now you're saying that ethnonationalism harms blacks globally because empires existed?
Aight. Sure. Whites being the majority in their own countries harms blacks in Africa somehow.

2018-01-10 17:59:02 UTC  

Unless you're saying that whites being the majority in their own countries lead to whites colonising everything or some dumb shit, in which case let me drag you into the 21st century by telling you that the age of empires is over.

2018-01-10 17:59:21 UTC  

It's been over for a pretty long while, at least a few decades

2018-01-10 18:04:45 UTC  

@Cam I said they didn't come initially because they for one couldn't,

2018-01-10 18:05:03 UTC  

Saying they just "didn't come" is misleading

2018-01-10 18:05:10 UTC  

And I explained why they come now

2018-01-10 18:05:19 UTC  

Which is the only reason you give a shit about the word in the first place

2018-01-10 18:05:48 UTC  

And I'm saying it harms brown people in general as that's the largest global example for the use of ethnonationalism

2018-01-10 18:06:19 UTC  

Its oddly enough never those who're considered European of origin who have the issue as a minority.

2018-01-10 18:07:19 UTC  

Again, not that it explicitly harms blacks in a country that for all accounts wasn't created by them, wasn't controlled by them, and wasnt used to enrich their lives until a few decades ago

2018-01-10 18:07:44 UTC  

But that what it does indirectly is harm blacks because you use it as an excuse to keep them from coming to wherever they seek to go, after raping their lands

2018-01-10 18:08:24 UTC  

You proclaim, "Oh our culture" after literally stunting the cultures or various people's globally through imperialism, causing the migration in the first place

2018-01-10 18:09:08 UTC  

But then again, I didn't think I'd need to explain all that again, in different words

2018-01-10 18:10:16 UTC  

The point remains the same. Its a cop out to resign people to suffering caused by the actions of your "dead empires" that still despite being dead, repatriate so much profit to their shores they can fund universal healthcare for entire continents they exploit

2018-01-10 18:14:50 UTC  

334 F17 The Global South-1.pdf

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/400714114923757588/334_F17_The_Global_South-1.pdf

2018-01-10 18:15:05 UTC  

Might be a little interesting read for you

2018-01-10 18:17:23 UTC  

But you just might have to adopt a historically sound worldview recognizing systemic continuity of issues particularly within co-dependent economies. You know, develop the understanding that things dont just "begin" or "stop" being an issue on a dime, and that none of the countries we're talking about developed independently of one another.

2018-01-10 19:25:09 UTC  

>*The imperialists caused migration*

2018-01-10 19:25:31 UTC  

huehuehuehuehue

2018-01-10 19:26:04 UTC  

I just finished making dinner and now sitting down eating it. Don't try making me choke on my food through how hard you're making me laugh you bastard.
They come now because of the big, lucrative welfare states of Europe, they're coming to leech off richer countries. Simple as that.
Oh, what a surprise, European people have an issue with being a potentially being a minority in their own countries! Who would have ever fucking guessed?
Yeah, African countries were enriched by knowledge, technology all brought over to Africa by Europeans. But I guess that's called "raping their lands" right? Coming along, bringing knowledge and technology but taking a little of the native resources, then when they leave the tech and knowledge is left behind unscathed? Sure. Totally raping lands. The Europeans fucking traded with the Africans, guns in return for slaves to ship off to the Americas as one example.
Didn't say anything about culture as far as I can remember, but yeah Africans being the majority in Europe and North America will destroy the native culture and turn the countries they gain control of into more Africa. Simple logic.
Also there is no way to stunt the development of cultures by introducing them to more advanced technology, more complex ideas (such as natural rights and economics) and more complex languages.
Yeah, I'm not bothering to read that. I have better things to do than read left-wing drivel.
Your worldview is not sound it is left-wing.

2018-01-10 19:26:49 UTC  

LOL