Message from @Comrade Skeltal

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2018-01-10 20:20:43 UTC  

Not things like

2018-01-10 20:20:48 UTC  

But capital in and of itself

2018-01-10 20:21:07 UTC  

So you want to start stealing people's money from them?

2018-01-10 20:21:22 UTC  

You mean in the same way they have money stolen from their labor?

2018-01-10 20:21:41 UTC  

You're gonna start whining about CEOs taking home large pay packets, aren't you?

2018-01-10 20:21:57 UTC  

Or bankers taking home huge amounts of retirement money

2018-01-10 20:21:57 UTC  

Not about large or small pay packets

2018-01-10 20:21:59 UTC  

Its pay at all

2018-01-10 20:22:06 UTC  

The need for a middle man is nonexistent

2018-01-10 20:22:07 UTC  

You want to abolish money

2018-01-10 20:22:12 UTC  

If the resources exist,

2018-01-10 20:22:39 UTC  

And people want to apply their labour to use those resources to make a living, or a good, or what have

2018-01-10 20:22:41 UTC  

You

2018-01-10 20:22:43 UTC  

They should do so

2018-01-10 20:22:48 UTC  

You want to build a society on barter?

2018-01-10 20:22:52 UTC  

As they did through the entirety of human society

2018-01-10 20:22:55 UTC  

Before capital

2018-01-10 20:23:18 UTC  

It was only until violent enclosure that you needed a CEO getting paid to sell yourself to make a living

2018-01-10 20:23:18 UTC  

You are trying to make a case for society to be built on barter

2018-01-10 20:24:07 UTC  

Gift economy is just yet another mode of distribution, you obviously don't need to haul around the tangible goods

2018-01-10 20:24:20 UTC  

You can have a medium of exchange that doesn't entail a market

2018-01-10 20:24:37 UTC  

Its not like I'm asking people to trade horses or couches

2018-01-10 20:24:49 UTC  

So calling it a barter or implying such a thing is meh

2018-01-10 20:25:14 UTC  

Whether it's barter or not, I think we both know I mean making goods for the sake of the goods themselves,

2018-01-10 20:25:20 UTC  

Not the wage to then go buy goods

2018-01-10 20:25:33 UTC  

Barter is the direct trade of goods and services without the use of money.
You essentially want to end the entire finance industry because you think money is bad. And you want to replace what is used to help set a standard of relative value between goods with nothing.

2018-01-10 20:25:39 UTC  

Read what I said above

2018-01-10 20:25:50 UTC  

Your idea would lead to huge job loss.

2018-01-10 20:25:53 UTC  

Read

2018-01-10 20:25:54 UTC  

Whay

2018-01-10 20:25:56 UTC  

I said

2018-01-10 20:25:57 UTC  

Above

2018-01-10 20:26:04 UTC  

It said nothing about the abolition of a medium of sale

2018-01-10 20:26:26 UTC  

Then what will you replace money with? More money?

2018-01-10 20:26:32 UTC  

The idea is to move the value away from capital, and to the distribution of goods

2018-01-10 20:26:46 UTC  

What that means is no, You don't literally have to abolish money, just not yet

2018-01-10 20:26:54 UTC  

But just because no money exists doesn't mean people don't work

2018-01-10 20:27:02 UTC  

There is no "human nature" argument to be had there

2018-01-10 20:27:15 UTC  

*just not yet*
Still gonna lead to huge job loss and the abolition of an entire industry, then?

2018-01-10 20:27:23 UTC  

No?

2018-01-10 20:27:34 UTC  

You're operating within a capitalist market, then sure,