Message from @Garbage

Discord ID: 593100527756378142


2019-06-25 15:14:50 UTC  

But your order must be imposed, i.e. it's fucking artificial.

2019-06-25 15:15:15 UTC  

It relates to consciously-made understandings of our world which are not in lockstep with the actuality of the world.

2019-06-25 15:15:40 UTC  

You would need to infinitely chisel away at the world in order to keep things consistent with your idea of Nature, even if that idea changes.

2019-06-25 15:16:33 UTC  

It's not just those annoying conscious actors getting in your way, but the natural world itself!

2019-06-25 15:17:05 UTC  

If something is unwilled, then it's not in your control and therefore doesn't conform to what you want. It might explode into your worst nightmare at any moment even if it is highly unlikely.

2019-06-25 15:17:41 UTC  

You might be able to say 'well, by the time I'm dead, it probably won't have happened', but can you be sure?

2019-06-25 15:17:54 UTC  

And what if someone else brings it about?

2019-06-25 15:18:21 UTC  

```implying i want capitalism, despite me talking about resource based trade and other socialistic and communistic systems```

2019-06-25 15:19:10 UTC  

Your socialism is a reactionary socialism: a retreat from full-on capitalism.

2019-06-25 15:20:29 UTC  

You want to protect certain things from capital - i.e. Nature. For you, the economy must not touch it so much, the present state of semiconsciously-performed affairs must avoid the Natural order.

2019-06-25 15:21:13 UTC  

Beyond this, though, you are absolutely fine about what capital dictates is good for reproducing the world as it is.

2019-06-25 15:22:10 UTC  

If choosing to be a certain way reduces one's chance of surviving or if they're mentally-ill, oh, pity them but they can die as far as you give a shit.

2019-06-25 15:22:30 UTC  

**Why is it that they're not surviving? Because it's not fucking profitable enough. That's the fucking truth.**

2019-06-25 15:23:14 UTC  

```You are dogmatic and bias maintaing a ideology of the sheep. you cant even think for yourself and think evrything should conform, This is facism
This world is filled with contradictictions because you have a cookie cutter mindset that conforms and is void of free thought```
This is cheap coming from you.

2019-06-25 15:23:38 UTC  

You're telling me that the world should conform to your fantasy and now I'm branded the fascist, the conformity-seeker.

2019-06-25 15:25:26 UTC  

I'm saying that we must violently expand the set of goals that we can accomplish, which *requires* free thought. By any fucking metric, the world has contradictions and things which don't make sense and shouldn't be a certain way.

2019-06-25 15:26:20 UTC  

It's up to us to make it that way.

2019-06-25 15:26:49 UTC  

```I offended you didnt i, your feels seem to be upset as you typed all that. I think offender is the perfect name for me```

2019-06-25 15:27:30 UTC  

Then you must be upset that I dared to ping you, maul your wall of text and expose you as an anti-Communist dog? If you're so sure that I'm upset, then why can't I throw the 'no u' excuse back?

2019-06-25 15:29:16 UTC  

You are not an alien invader of any sort. You don't offend me in the way that you think you are; if anything, *I am the fucking alien*.

2019-06-25 15:29:45 UTC  

I've literally come out of nowhere and I'm dealing with shit that you can't even think clearly about.

2019-06-25 15:30:19 UTC  

```Communist will stomp me? Well that just isnt real communism, that is just the jews putting a gun in your back telling you to charge in to german machinegun fire as they have little care for your needless existance. Fucking nigger stopmping on things you dont understand as this is your true nature, being violent and impulsive acting on dogmas```

2019-06-25 15:31:13 UTC  

No, we primarily aim to crush your gods. If you volunteer yourself up for the cause which ensures the salvation of your idols, then unfortunately you will have to go with them.

2019-06-25 15:31:36 UTC  

That's why it's *you* who isn't the 'real' Communist over here. It's not that we don't fucking understand what we're stomping on, it's that we're stomping on it because we know that it must not be worshipped and can only be upheld temporarily. We want to ensure that this wretched social landscape lives on borrowed time if at all.

2019-06-25 15:33:43 UTC  

You don't know what it means to actually be one; you hide behind a mask of utter crap which sometimes sounds Marxian (i.e. formalisations of Marxist theory which have been bastardised to the extent that one can fit it into an arbitrary us versus them story).

2019-06-25 15:35:16 UTC  

```no you really are not that immportant, the only reason why im replying is because it is a welcome distraction```
All the better for me, though I wager that you will be tempted to do so since most of your crypto-fascistic sort are either help vampires or trolls.

2019-06-25 15:36:43 UTC  

``` so you are a mongolian rapebaby living in finland?, why dont you do some drills and build some shelters incase the russians come, lmao you brainwashed
```

2019-06-25 15:37:10 UTC  

I am not Finnish, I just happen to know of the assburger meme.

2019-06-25 15:39:30 UTC  

The central point was that you were going to regard me as an idiot because of some nuance that I supposedly don't understand - perhaps one which relates to this discussion (if one can call it that) and the setting that it's in. You've already admitted to me that you think that this is just a timewaster for you. If so, why bother even responding to me?

2019-06-25 15:39:37 UTC  

Why not do something else?

2019-06-25 15:41:58 UTC  

```no shit you are aincel```
How did you come to that conclusion, O Great Statistician and Observer? I am in fact a volcel; I am disgusted by the current landscape of sexual practices in many ways.

2019-06-25 15:42:30 UTC  

Nevertheless, it shows that you're not ready to accept my warning.

2019-06-25 15:42:53 UTC  

``` no you want communism to stomp me , instead of doing it yourself. Which is why you like communism,, you think this will results in other ppl carrying your load
```

2019-06-25 15:43:19 UTC  

Even if that is what I wanted, then I would need the support of others to do it. I am not a one-person army.

2019-06-25 15:43:52 UTC  

```wtf```

2019-06-25 15:47:22 UTC  

What, is that exotic to you? A rejection of your God? It's not surprising that you choose this particular God, given the choice between the pious Tolerance of the weakness-accepting liberals, the hollow and reactionary utopianism of Silicon Valley transhumanists and the 'pull up your bootstraps and accept your position' sections of the right-libertarians and the third-positionists.

2019-06-25 15:48:21 UTC  

Of course the third of those three seems alluring in the face of the hollow attempts made by the liberals and the bourgeois engineers.

2019-06-25 15:51:07 UTC  

*And before anyone compares me to Rafiq: I'm not him, I doubt that he would even use something like Discord. I am not as well read as he claims to be.*

2019-06-25 15:51:26 UTC  

I won't be able to really evaluate the Soviet Union while he can, for example.

2019-06-25 15:54:03 UTC  

As for you, @Deleted User, you must read Critique of the Gotha Programme as well as The German Ideology.

2019-06-25 16:00:45 UTC  

Jesus