Do you know what a city state is ?

I know that Communist movements required states, but they were busy trying to prepare the ground for socialism.

You need some for of organization that steers the collective in to the direction of the common goals. this is the state

the whole commuinist revolution in russia was nothing but a change of rulers

rulers with out care for the ppl

thgis is why many think states are bad

but they are not

per se or by definition

That sounds like an anarchist's idea of government rather than the Marxist idea of the state.

no because narchist dont have government

jees, you have issues keeping communism and anarchy appart man

Anarchism is anti-state, not anti-government, or at least not anti governance.

There is always going to be a collective interest, yes, but it is not set in stone, and it does not have to be imposed by political force and suppression of dissent.

This suppression of dissent is necessary when resources are too scarce and there isn't enough effort focussed upon beating back scarcity.

are you saying that governments dont have their power true force?

>power true force

so you are saying yes

O King of Nuance, what does that mean?

a gorvernment has its power true force

What does 'power true force' mean?

It is a simple yes or no

how hard can it be to awnser

jesus

having power true force

I don't know what to say unless I know what you mean.

with out theforce no power

pretty basic concept

Without *what* force?

A state needs to suppress dissent through a certain kind of political force in order to keep its political monopoly. This is the Marxist understanding of what a state is.

But a government has laws and pusnishments

they are pretty much the same thing

Anarchist dont want states nor governments

as they are basically the same thing

you dont even know what anacrist are

I do; I know that they want organisation but without the imposing force of the state.

No you said they would liek governments

"they are not anti government"

And you didn't know what I meant by that, did you? Always assuming.

But these have rules and laws with penalties

this is not anarchy

**it's never good when I do it, though, is it?**