whole factorie floor got laid off if they missed deadlines

this meant that they didnt get any food

theer are other ways to force ppl

jsut during war timesand this was not jh

But again, you are assuming that we are going to be forever stuck with this kind of dispute resolution where one party gets their way while others submit and - crucially - *such a state of affairs continues in the same way*.

This is why I brought up the whole 'state and government' thing.

but you said yourselfthat teh process of "doing what you fucking want" is a evolution that keeps changing

dispete resolution where one party gets its way? you mean like democrazy

Of course it changes, because what counts as 'what one wants' changes.

so you cant even do that if you dont have the party that gets its way

Can't even do what? Resolve disputes?

making your premmise no matter how you interpert doing what one fucking owants incorrect

No, to say that it's historical is not to say that it cannot be achieved.

you cant have that changing evolution in some kind of proccess as you are linmited to the collectives goals and the chosen proces and direction

But the 'collective''s goals are themselves changing, no?

if you want something else you get classed as a anti revolutionary by your standards and you need to be oppressed

If you want something else, then it must be justified.

the collective goals in many ways will stay the same

keep the system up with labor

and the distribution of it

creating a state and governence that gums up the works

That's a given, but the modes of distribution and production can change.

That's the point of Communism.

To change those.

And keep changing those.

And so on.

the state and governance stays the same principle with the use of force to make others submit

Again - we've talked about this - governance is necessary, but the force that only a state can provide is not.

but it is when you have alarge collective

The point of a state is to provide a foothold for one hegemony to crush others.

as you need a way to make ppl with differnt intrests and goals to confirm

Because dissent cannot be expressed in a way which might actually benefit others?

and in history we see that this force is used readely

>history

>the history of *class societies*

sovjet russia "D

There has always been class

you need a prefect homgenous race to even get close

>when he recycles boomer strawmen about Communism and then calls himself a Communist

This is gonna take a while.

maybe im not just communist