But the 'collective''s goals are themselves changing, no?

if you want something else you get classed as a anti revolutionary by your standards and you need to be oppressed

If you want something else, then it must be justified.

the collective goals in many ways will stay the same

keep the system up with labor

and the distribution of it

creating a state and governence that gums up the works

That's a given, but the modes of distribution and production can change.

That's the point of Communism.

To change those.

And keep changing those.

And so on.

the state and governance stays the same principle with the use of force to make others submit

Again - we've talked about this - governance is necessary, but the force that only a state can provide is not.

but it is when you have alarge collective

The point of a state is to provide a foothold for one hegemony to crush others.

as you need a way to make ppl with differnt intrests and goals to confirm

Because dissent cannot be expressed in a way which might actually benefit others?

and in history we see that this force is used readely

>history

>the history of *class societies*

sovjet russia "D

There has always been class

you need a prefect homgenous race to even get close

>when he recycles boomer strawmen about Communism and then calls himself a Communist

This is gonna take a while.

maybe im not just communist

Maybe you're *just not* Communist.

implying

you assume because i have expressed critizism 😄

Class relates to a definite and largely fixed relationship to the means of production which is not consciously-enforced.

>this line again

so short sighted and narrowminded

No, you are recycling an argument which is antithetical to Communist argumentation because the point of Communism is to abolish class society *and keep on abolishing it*.

class also related to the ability to produce

including producing controll over something

byou cant abolish classes

you need specializations

And people don't have to stick with particular specialisations.

and you have them in the form of skills and atributes of indivuals

to destroy class you need to destroy mankind