The fool who watches their world get beaten into shape in the name of some god by those who pretend to guarantee them some limited kind of livelihood which the fool thinks that they'll fit into...

...is similar to the person who wants to actively change the world to their ends, mutual ends?

Without any gods to serve?

Only provisional big Others?

Themselves subject to conscious change by us?

The 'freedom' that you talk about doesn't exist.

Deal with frozen absolutes, feel the cold.

The issue is that I know you're full of hot air regarding your very specific plan for the world.

You take no issue with being 'cucked'.

You just want it to be in the name of your own chosen god, at least for a very long time.

This god decides what's possible. This alienated idea of yourself, of subjects, of the social order - it is the arbiter of what's good, what's clean, what's damaging as far as you care.

Why bother chasing after a given order if it's not gonna lead to freedom?

It's clearly not the best solution for all if you can't provide for as much as possible.

You know, if you have to determine what's best for one to want based on something that's proposed as forever being alien to us.

Out of our reach.

Take your order to its highest conclusions and it will change and its previous form will die.

There's always a new challenge.

Every order crumbles before the void of the undifferentiated and unknown.

The arms of this monster from beyond the horizons of what we know sweep inside those horizons, and regularly - with every question that we ask ourselves and every move that we make.

We must capture the monster and enslave it, ready to face a new one.

All gods must be thrown onto the fire!

Nature, Jehovah, 'Humanity' (as an abstract ghostly entity;read Stirner), 'the will of the collective', *capital*.

There's always a degree to which one is cucked, but it is not a fixed degree.

again with teh destruxction

you arent doing any thing you keep saying we

We aim to be the destroyers of identity, of ourselves as fixed beings.

you are alwas a fixed being

you just exchange gods

Nope, I just changed. I'm thinking a different thought.

I construct gods.

I tear them down.

I build new ones.

seems very unproductive

...only to a person who encourages subservience to a single god, maybe any old god, but a single god.

but yor god is the collective and ist will wheer ever yhis is commiuning from

The god is the collective that wants to change itself.

It is identified with us as we actually are to the greatest extent that we can know ourselves at a given time.

Where others do not care, this ghostly 'collective' does not intrude.

Where they do care, the ghost (used to represent the other participants in the social world) wants to talk and work towards a mutual solution rather than enforce something for any length of time beyond an acceptable interim period.

This ghost kills itself and rises again into a new, revitalised form.

And then it dies again at the commands of everyone.