'conform or die' is inescapable as far as you're concerned.

Therefore it's meaningless.

well, you have to eat or you die

so yeah conform

or die

It matters what we conform to.

yoour communsim doesnt gives ppl the choice

There is no choice. Either fight for and with those who want to conform to less things and ruthlessly engineer the world in which we live to mutual ends, or be endlessly cucked and betrayed.

Accept the defeatism regarding defeatisms or live a fantasy made into a fleeting reality.

Really simple.

>to stop being cukcked we need to cuck ourself

But then it's not being cucked, *is it*?

it is

The fool who watches their world get beaten into shape in the name of some god by those who pretend to guarantee them some limited kind of livelihood which the fool thinks that they'll fit into...

...is similar to the person who wants to actively change the world to their ends, mutual ends?

Without any gods to serve?

Only provisional big Others?

Themselves subject to conscious change by us?

The 'freedom' that you talk about doesn't exist.

Deal with frozen absolutes, feel the cold.

The issue is that I know you're full of hot air regarding your very specific plan for the world.

You take no issue with being 'cucked'.

You just want it to be in the name of your own chosen god, at least for a very long time.

This god decides what's possible. This alienated idea of yourself, of subjects, of the social order - it is the arbiter of what's good, what's clean, what's damaging as far as you care.

Why bother chasing after a given order if it's not gonna lead to freedom?

It's clearly not the best solution for all if you can't provide for as much as possible.

You know, if you have to determine what's best for one to want based on something that's proposed as forever being alien to us.

Out of our reach.

Take your order to its highest conclusions and it will change and its previous form will die.

There's always a new challenge.

Every order crumbles before the void of the undifferentiated and unknown.

The arms of this monster from beyond the horizons of what we know sweep inside those horizons, and regularly - with every question that we ask ourselves and every move that we make.

We must capture the monster and enslave it, ready to face a new one.

All gods must be thrown onto the fire!

Nature, Jehovah, 'Humanity' (as an abstract ghostly entity;read Stirner), 'the will of the collective', *capital*.

There's always a degree to which one is cucked, but it is not a fixed degree.

again with teh destruxction

you arent doing any thing you keep saying we

We aim to be the destroyers of identity, of ourselves as fixed beings.

you are alwas a fixed being

you just exchange gods