Message from @Garbage

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2019-07-04 16:47:47 UTC  

Or at least as many as possible if there is still a lingering incompetence with regards to coming to mutual solutions in all cases.

2019-07-04 16:49:37 UTC  

So ppl kills other ppls gods

2019-07-04 16:50:00 UTC  

again, your view is oppsressive destructive and unproductive

2019-07-04 17:22:03 UTC  

We kill gods ourselves, we advise others on which gods to kill and build.

2019-07-04 17:22:16 UTC  

Also >killing gods is oppressive if it's others' gods

2019-07-04 17:22:27 UTC  

Smells of idpol.

2019-07-04 17:23:42 UTC  

Oppressive to those who want to keep their gods for no reason. Destructive to those who want to cling onto their ways of life because they've resigned themselves to a certain way of life.

2019-07-04 17:24:04 UTC  

*And unproductive only to those who judge 'on behalf of' their gods.*

2019-07-04 17:27:16 UTC  

If you insist on actively obstructing everyone else for the sake of propping up an order which will always leech off you despite everything you tell yourself as an ordained priest for that order, then yes, since we cannot resolve any dispute with you, you will have to go. You would be representative of a vestige of bourgeois politics.

2019-07-04 19:48:36 UTC  

"We"

2019-07-04 19:48:44 UTC  

So your god is the god then huh

2019-07-04 19:48:48 UTC  

That ego

2019-07-04 19:49:03 UTC  

Just as you are communism

2019-07-05 08:51:26 UTC  

**Like I said, we choose our gods consciously, weaponise them and then rip them apart consciously.**

2019-07-05 08:52:30 UTC  

It's amazing that you talk about (an unsubstantiated, weakly-founded) 'ego' as if I'm really much more pathetic than that. I mean, you're telling me that I overestimate how representative I am of Communists.

2019-07-05 08:53:31 UTC  

And yet here you are, saying 'not true Communism' to me, thinking that you've found the light of revising Communism to fit your defeatist principles of never quite reaching 'freedom' (which is really a Trojan horse argument that you're using to justify the order that you so crave).

2019-07-05 08:54:56 UTC  

Why, yes, I am pathetic. I am but an individual, but even a cadre of a few individuals can do shit if they amass the resources and they have a strong political programme.

2019-07-05 08:55:18 UTC  

The Bolsheviks were a minority within Russia, and Lenin was himself a minority within the Bolsheviks.

2019-07-05 08:56:26 UTC  

Even one of his lovers said that he went mad after reading Hegel and coming back with the April Theses. And yet look at what Lenin managed to do, regardless of whether or not you agree with his politics. The Leninist line became *the dominant line* in the Bolsheviks - the one which held the most power over the party and got implemented in the RSFSR in the days before the USSR was created.

2019-07-05 08:58:12 UTC  

I am not comparable to Lenin. Indeed, I do not do enough for Communism. I have plenty of my own battles to face, and indeed I am not making them any easier.

2019-07-05 08:58:47 UTC  

*You, meanwhile, have positioned yourself as someone who 'merely criticises', 'exposes holes' and does all that in your rhetoric.*

2019-07-05 08:59:35 UTC  

You are the one who's 'woke' to things like racialism and biological determinism, and you have the key to what Communism really is too, you say.

2019-07-05 09:00:56 UTC  

While I spend ages trying to construct walls of text, you are the one priest who doesn't need to read all that and can supposedly BTFO all of that in a few sentences. You command the same of me, but I refuse, so of course I must be merely a mentally-ill butthurt Jewish imp.

2019-07-05 09:02:34 UTC  

**'That ego', he says, as if he isn't just sitting and ignoring much of what I'm saying for few reasons besides his laziness and his confidence in his defeatist worldview.**

2019-07-05 09:05:00 UTC  

***For him, a sheer iconoclasm constitutes nothing more than proclaiming that people are shackled to a force which they can never control while he posits that he knows this and wants to work within the boundaries of that force rather than attack it.***

2019-07-05 09:06:16 UTC  

And to top it all off, he says that the butchers of gods are themselves worshipping a god at any given moment and always will be - throwing a banality into the mix, a frozen absolute which is really fucking obvious.

2019-07-05 09:06:55 UTC  

As if this was the focus of Communists in the first place.

2019-07-05 09:09:25 UTC  

__***If you claim that you're a Communist and that everything else is not a true Communism (e.g. the USSR), then are you not showing your 'ego' by claiming to be a representative of a true ideology?***__

2019-07-05 09:10:47 UTC  

You tell me that I'm speaking as if I *am* Communism, or at least a representative of it. My entire argument all this time is __not__ that *I am the ultimate Communist*, ***it's that you have less reasons to call yourself one than I do***.

2019-07-05 09:12:42 UTC  

You say you support 'city state Communism', that you argue against 'capitalism' and so on.

2019-07-05 09:13:12 UTC  

What makes that different from *syndicalism*?

2019-07-05 09:13:28 UTC  

Or Volkism? Or even mutualism?

2019-07-05 09:15:03 UTC  

My point has been that when you argue further, you reveal that you advocate things which are inconsistent with the dominant form of Communism: Marxist Communism, the *default* 'Communism'.

2019-07-05 09:18:04 UTC  

There's no point in saying ''Marx and Engels argued this' is your only point here about me not being a Communist' because what you argue in favour of is already largely if not totally captured by an ideology of a different name altogether - one in which you'd be able to find a much larger base of sincere individuals who accurately reflect the heights of that political tradition.

2019-07-05 09:20:53 UTC  

If I sincerely want to belong to a political movement, then there's no point in calling myself a monarchist if what I believe in is in fact *against* the developments of monarchist theory and is instead more in line with republican theory.

2019-07-05 09:25:50 UTC  

***Since you insist on having beliefs which fundamentally contradict the highest developments of what's usually referred to as 'Communism' (which would be the Marxist sort) and you haven't gone off to call yourself a 'fascist', a 'third-positionist' or anything else of that sort, then this leaves only one possibility left.***

2019-07-05 09:26:01 UTC  

__***Whether you know it or not, you're an infiltrator.***__

2019-07-05 09:33:48 UTC  

But anyway, let's get back to the thing about destroying other people's gods. Why *can't* people give up their identities and contextualise their struggle as being part of a universal struggle?

2019-07-05 09:34:30 UTC  

That the proletariat has no struggle as a class is itself evidence of a universal struggle. The point is to act as the class of no class.

2019-07-05 09:36:10 UTC  

The use of the state to fight off the bourgeoisie is a necessity because those forces - being ultimately composed of people who wield machines of blackmails and exploitation - define their existence as literally being the embodiment or representative of a given idol which becomes a part of the identity which they mould themselves into.

2019-07-05 09:36:40 UTC  

Without this identity, they think there's nothing. They're right, insofar as nothing is *no specific thing* to cluster around and raise to the status of a big Other.