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Is it any wonder that Marx and Engels say 'Communism is not a state of affairs to be established but the real movement which sublates/abolishes the state of affairs'? (It is not the exact quote, but it is the gist of what they're saying.)
__To return from the discussion of the actual difference between Communism and 'Fascism', you say that they're the same because of how they seek to obtain power, but then *why isn't your politics or ANY OTHER POLITICS the same*?__
Think about it. In order for you to establish your 'city state communism', you will need to fight off counterrevolutionary forces too. You will need to stomp on at least *some* of the gods of others, if not all of them.
The divine spectre that is 'globalism', for example.
You can convince people that your (exclusive) struggle is worth backing and joining, but you can't get any use out of those whose struggles will always come into conflict with yours at a particular moment. Integrating them for the sake of that integration is not in your consciously-held interest, and it is the same with *anyone* who conceives of their struggle as being necessarily exclusive.
You'll never get much use out of those who wish to *destroy* the present biological structures which we use now, for example. Or those who wish to see that class becomes a thing of previous history. You could tactically align with them, but they will always be different to you if you keep your present cause and continue with that struggle.
**What are you gonna do with your enemies if they're armed to the fucking teeth?**
What are you going to do with the likes of George Soros, the bourgeois philanthropist?
And all the Antifa kids who just won't listen to your wisdom? All the *Jews*, all the fucking financier rats?
__***You have no choice but to slaughter most if not all of them. They will NEVER be completely on your side.***__
***It follows from all of this that the link that you've made between Communism, or at least what I am putting forward regarding it, and 'Fascism', is a link that could be made between your 'Communism' and actual third-positionist movements, or between any two movements on the political landscape today which do not have a very large hegemony.***
__***For your politics to be any different using this metric, you would in fact have to be A BOURGEOIS LIBERAL, which you are clearly not!***__
So how's it going, Sargon? Why not just endorse horseshoe theory for the sake of rhetoric while continuing to also promote reactionary ideas on the basis that they're good for a kind of grown-up liberalism?
You really are just a souped-up Carl at this point: pretending to be a Communist (similarly to how Sargon says he's left-wing) and yet spouting very reactionary ideas and political solutions to what we face while also calling Communists 'Fascists'.
" Regarding this, Communism seeks to remove this false consciousness and contextualise struggles as being part of a larger, universal struggle." and you get to decide what is which in your mind, whilst not being sibjected to this yoursefl
>in your mind
jup
and its you who dodges
Wow, it's almost as if I can say things that others can agree with...!
What do I dodge?
facism is notgenocide
Fascism requires genocides to exist today otherwise it won't be able to establish itself.
You know, what with huge financiers fighting against it.
You brought up the 'fascism' WP page, did you not?
You even confirm the stage of fasism "With Communism, this kind of ultra-authoritarian politics can only ever be temporary;"
so you are a facist
And an anarchist is not a fascist, by that reasoning?
dodge
facism does not require genocide
Not a dodge. I'm saying that almost all politics, by your qualifications, is fascist.
All politics has to involve hegemony *today*.
it isnt sunomuness with teh german nazi soci party despite your deluded bias
I know it isn't, because 'fascism' is a broad term.
so all politics are facist
If so, then fascism is *meaningless* as a term.
you change the measuring tape 😄 wwhich explainians your ego
no it isnt meaing less
No, I'm using *your* argumentation again, Sargon.
you just dont know the meaing
you make your own from your believes