Message from @Garbage

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2019-07-09 08:28:53 UTC  

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2019-07-09 08:31:07 UTC  

**If people have 'different traits' (which is what *you* said) and this causes them to inherently act in a certain way (which *you* implied by defending biological determinism)**, then conflict resolution cannot be established on grounds of reasoning and mutual solutions can never be found. People would always be pursuing a subset of a given set of goals and **there would be no option but to kill other people if tactical alliances cannot be made** since people would get in the way of each other if they all demanded more than what resources could allow for.

2019-07-09 08:34:24 UTC  

This follows from your words, not mine.

2019-07-09 08:38:26 UTC  

Are people different? Yes! I have never argued otherwise. That doesn't mean that they cannot relate their own personal struggles to a universal struggle, even if it is simply universal at a present moment.

2019-07-09 08:39:29 UTC  

Notice how you dodged this:

2019-07-09 08:39:32 UTC  

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2019-07-09 08:41:57 UTC  

Your only defence was to hide behind words which we simply were not using in the same way and claim that I meant something that I didn't because I was supposedly using your interpretations of those words. That was the whole 'freedom' and 'submission' shitfest. When I say that there *can only be* such authoritarianism in an early stage of Communist revolution - as I've explained before - I mean that Communism would not yet be powerful enough to establish a ground upon which mutual conflict resolution can take place and would therefore most likely need to fight violently. Notice how you still dodged the points about this conflict resolution.

2019-07-09 08:42:19 UTC  

```Your ego is massive, you are autoritarian and oppressive. you are a facist.
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2019-07-09 08:45:06 UTC  

You mean to say that my ego is unwarranted rather than large, since you position yourself to be among *The Based*. You pretend that you're a fusion between Diogenes and Hitler: you say you certainly know what others are thinking; you have all the possible nuances to hand *apart from when it doesn't benefit your argumentation*.

2019-07-09 08:47:32 UTC  

You imagine yourself as being one of Those before Whom others crumble and bend. You are the Keeper of Holy Terminologies and Definitions in your mind.

2019-07-09 08:48:45 UTC  

So much so that *your own politics* doesn't need to have so much of a focus as as those of others must, and those others should just be more concise so that you can drag your Based Interpretations out of what they say and the matter will be swiftly dealt with!

2019-07-09 08:51:11 UTC  

**Using your definitions of words, of course, there are many things that we agree on. The impossibility of 'freedom', the universality of 'authoritarian'-ism, the 'finitude' of the present. - we agree on all of those mentioned things.**

2019-07-09 08:52:20 UTC  

Not to say that we've agreed in other such cases of you bolting your own definitions to what I've said even after I've clarified my use of the terms.

2019-07-09 08:55:10 UTC  

I know that you are referring to static, frozen and highly abstract ideas which are ultimately superficial, but I am not doing the same thing that you are. I explain why your definitions are not just missing the point of what I'm saying but are in fact putting you in the same predicament that I'm supposedly in.

2019-07-09 08:56:38 UTC  

When I say that your 'fascism' is universal in bourgeois politics, I make a distinction between that and whatever the Wikipedia article said about Fascism, and also third-positionist politics in general.

2019-07-09 08:57:38 UTC  

**So when you say 'you're admitting I'm right', I say 'no shit Sherlock, but this doesn't mean what you think it does - it's a big own goal for you too, since you can't justify how you're also not a 'fascist'!'**

2019-07-09 09:01:34 UTC  

You still haven't come up with even a tentative answer to this.

2019-07-09 11:47:06 UTC  

@Garbage "If I'm a 'fascist' and 'fascism' does not require genocide, then you'd be wrong to say that my politics requires genocide." ***i never said this**

2019-07-09 11:47:41 UTC  

You keep making up this shit, and now you are accusing me of making strawmen lol

2019-07-09 11:47:55 UTC  

You are such a jew

2019-07-09 12:31:49 UTC  

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2019-07-09 12:32:01 UTC  

*nice try*

2019-07-09 12:32:53 UTC  

You're such an American. You lack political literacy and you have no recollection of what you even said.

2019-07-09 12:34:31 UTC  

inb4 'thats not what i meant do you even nuance bro'

2019-07-09 14:59:28 UTC  

Nuance recalling what you said. You said that this evolution is ever constant there is no stability , so that stage of facism you are talking about so much in which your dick gets hard is ever lasting as it is constant revolution and progression as you described

2019-07-10 07:25:18 UTC  

>there is no stability

2019-07-10 07:25:41 UTC  

>so that stage of facism you are talking about so much in which your dick gets hard is ever lasting as it is constant revolution and progression as you described

2019-07-10 07:26:03 UTC  

Again, huge amnesia on your part.

2019-07-10 07:27:12 UTC  

Again: ***we don't want to kill anyone even for the sake of our principles; we only need to enslave their gods as far as that's concerned. __The problem is that the Communist movement is not yet powerful enough to do this, and this has never been true in history leading up to now.__ There are forces who won't listen to us and fight with us because we don't have the means of demonstrating to them that we can fight for them, and so they will fight us to protect their struggles regardless of how accurately they identify themselves as individuals and their struggles too.***

2019-07-10 07:28:20 UTC  

***I mean that Communism would not yet be powerful enough to establish a ground upon which mutual conflict resolution can take place and would therefore most likely need to fight violently. Again, notice how you still dodged the points about this conflict resolution.***

2019-07-10 07:29:01 UTC  

It's really fucking easy since I've demolished all of this before. At this point I'm copying and pasting in what I've previously typed with minimal editing.

2019-07-10 07:30:10 UTC  

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2019-07-10 07:34:11 UTC  

**So no, saying that a revolution is never a 'constant' and static thing - i.e. that it is always changing - *does not make my politics the same as that of the Fascists*. The point of the abolition of both classes and more generally the politics where exclusive interests fight *as exclusive interests* rather than as part of a universal movement is that __there would be no need for conflicts to be resolved through the death and/or submission of one interest *exclusively* to another.__**

2019-07-10 07:35:48 UTC  

**I went further: I made it clear why Marxists distinguish between governance/governments and states - the difference relates to the kinds of force that they have to use.**

2019-07-10 07:37:36 UTC  

***Saying that one kind of abstract and frozen form of 'submission' is inevitable and a similarly-frozen state of heavenly 'freedom' is impossible __dodges the point__, because the freedom that I'm talking about is PROVISIONAL; it is something that must grow under Communism.***

2019-07-10 07:39:57 UTC  

Can I participate?

2019-07-10 07:40:06 UTC  

What is a debate on now?

2019-07-10 07:40:17 UTC  

Go ahead if you want. He is on his knees and his only move is to run in circles.

2019-07-10 07:40:34 UTC  

Let him cum from his position then.

2019-07-10 07:40:59 UTC  

Where he belongs he must take pleasure?

2019-07-10 07:41:01 UTC  

__***What makes it different from Fascism or even what you call 'fascism' is that Communists don't say 'freedom is impossible, why bother'. Instead, we say that the impossibility of your frozen idea of 'freedom' does not mean that concrete freedoms are impossible.***__