I tend to talk about whatever you brought up last. But this time...
first off, I never use just one source. wiki is ok; people like me do our best to make sure it's accurate by doing this thing called "citing sources". In spite of that, even people like @Deleted User can edit it. I did start there, however; that's where I copied the spelling of Mitragynine from. I also used places like the FDA's website, erowid's vault, a comparison check across Johns-Hopkins, web-md, and one other site. I rarely use the same 3rd site, a random 3rd opinion. I avoid sites that are selling things, because they may simply want to sell kratom, and since a business can lie, I usually assume they do, at least in part. see, this process is called "research". now, I know that's a long word for you; but it's important, because doing research is what keeps me from making a tea out of the more poisonous members of the nightshade family and offering them for sale to idiots like you as some tonic to help your mind. and no; I'm not leaving any time soon. You are free to kill yourself as you see fit. I can't stop you, and I'm not sure I would if I could. But you are lying to people and endangering them. no, I'm not some "self-appointed guardian of the system"; I'm just some one who has noticed you are a selfish prick. I love, as Garbage has said, beating on such as you with words.

What makes you think that kratom is bad ? Are you aware your body has natural receptors for alkaloids ?

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6814a2.htm

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-to-spot-a-kratom-overdose

Data on 27,338 overdose deaths that occurred during July 2016–December 2017 were entered into SUDORS, and 152 (0.56%) of these decedents tested positive for kratom on postmortem toxicology (kratom-positive). Postmortem toxicology testing protocols were not documented and varied among and within states. Kratom was determined to be a cause of death (i.e., kratom-involved) by a medical examiner or coroner for 91 (59.9%) of the 152 kratom-positive decedents, including seven for whom kratom was the only substance to test positive on postmortem toxicology, although the presence of additional substances cannot be ruled out (4).

And these deaths came from the slowing of breathing if i reambere

you see , you seem to imply that i dont source or that i only look at wikipedia of which i know that any one can fill in their biased bullshit

which is why the argument used by garbage relating to biological determinism opposition was easily refuted

7 out of 27.338 deaths

i like those ods

besides this is from overdosing 😄

You liked beating me with words right ?

im waiting

it seems like you choked

```@Garbage small wall of response? lol, that wasnt a wall just a large paragrah
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>proceeds to drop a wall

See what I mean when I say that you lack self-awareness?

```eitehr way you say you type with 300 keystrokes a min , yet when i looked over at discord i seen you typing your wall o text. Then went to do stuff. looked at the chat some more, you were stil typing. talked to some ppl , looked again and theer you were stil typing
```

And my walls are quite big, so that should not be a surprise. I'm not slow about it.

```You dispute that my claims, but they are not my cliams, tehy are facts.
```

Big dodge.

***And before you claim that you're unbiased, your use of 'neutral' facts is not neutral and 'unbiased' in the slightest! Your politics is not sufficiently-justified (meaning: it's not just the stats that you give a shit about) from the statistics that you give but rather your use of those statistics. This is evidenced by the fact that someone could accept those stats and say 'we need to pity those poor, passive and low IQ PoC!'***

It's not just that your 'facts' are wrong (the stats you give don't mean what you think they mean, and again, I can bring up the 'correlation is not causation'), but that even if they were correct, your politics is not necessitated by it.

```You say we ? who is this we? i notised some one else assuming your gender. And the general butthurt from a couple ppl sounds very simular.
Are you talking about me with your we?
How flattering```

It depends on the context. When I was talking about 'us disputing your claims', I was talking about Communists. You can squeal about how I'm assuming that I'm a Communist when according to you I am a 'fascist' (but using your definition of 'fascism', *so is everyone else*), but the fact remains that I have infinitely more reasons to say that I am a Communist than you do.

***So nice try at speculating, but again, you failed.***

```Again, you dispute my facts, because you assume neuoplasticity
but then dont rebut me saying that the limit of plasticity depends on a person set of genetics.
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```Again, you dispute my facts, because you assume neuoplasticity
but then dont rebut me saying that the limit of plasticity depends on a person set of genetics.
"When I respond that we can do that, you then say that we cannot change genetic potential despite the fact that we can change the genes so that the cells won't try to emulate past behaviours and shit like that"
You used the example of changing the ability of the immune system, thinking and using this as a argument that you can change the brainstructure so it increases the potential ist the same, and feesebility is yet to be proven
And i reitterated, even if you are able to patch in genetic material it wont change existing structures as they have already grown. And if you patch it you patch it with another set of genetics, so it is still genetic determinism```

I didn't say anything about the immune system, nor was the focus of my argument neuroplasticity (this was only to show that even if your claims were correct about muh genes, the brain structure itself can still dramatically change).

Regarding the 'immune system', *here's what I actually said*:

*Viral vectors are used to insert the protein into cellular nuclei. Talking about 'changing the immune system' is thus irrelevant with regards to the possible purposes of the genetic modification.*

***It means that you don't know what you're talking about.***

```And i reitterated, even if you are able to patch in genetic material it wont change existing structures as they have already grown. And if you patch it you patch it with another set of genetics, so it is still genetic determinism```

***Again, round and round in circles.***

__The point is that we can change BOTH genes and brain structure, so running around in circles about how one limits the other.__

But then if you say 'it's still genetic determinism because it's still genes in the driving seat', then what determined the decision to change those genes?

And what determined the decision to decide that? And what social structures determined and influenced this?

**Remember, I can always make you a part of this: something that you did influenced such decisions. It changed the economy in a certain way, even if it was a miniscule way. It changes the superstructure, it changes culture too. I brought up the 'Butterfly effect' for this reason.**

It's the 'infinite studies' argument again. You need to prove that YOU are also biologically-determined.

'Biology changes biology into new biology' is not a valid argument because now there is a new kind of motion involved. That new biology cannot be described using the same models that would work for the old biology, and nor can the process of transformation between those biologies.