Message from @Blebleh
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socialism is the only compatible because it doesn't kill innocents and doesn't steal your labour
human nature isn't some fixed monolith
You're right. I'm speaking in generalities.
but you said socialism doesn't work because it isnt compatible with human nature
If I ever state anything to be an absolute then that's a mistake on my part.
if human nature is malleable, we can change it. if we can change it to fit a more just society, we should
Human nature is malleable, sure but it's not a reed in the wind.
certainly
Some aspects are incredibly difficult to fight because they're on an instinctual level.
we still should
people have bad conditions->people want revolution->people have better conditions in socialism
justice > instinct
appeal to nature is ultimately a fallacy, especially when it concerns humans
People don't necessarily have better conditions in socialist societies.
Humans have a tendency to pervert and corrupt.
soviet union underwent a rapid economic growth, cuba rose standards of living, china did as well
Just look at Venezuela.
oh no
I'm not saying that it's socialism by any means
But that's what they're calling it
venezuela is in a capitalist context and it keeps a capitalist economy, with just a few nationalizations
in venezuela the workers don't own the means of production, the state owns the oil
it's XXI century socialism, radical social democracy
Exactly. A perverted system.
from the book of dieterich
revisionism
and still with improvements
that's not on us to defend, i believe certain things but groups co-opt leftist rhetoric in order to gain power sometimes
i oppose that too
I understand you senfood
Point is, I think human nature is corruptive.
When I was an anarchist I based all my political thought in uncorruptibility
and I want to achieve it, we can do it
so, lets abolish unjust power structures
I think there's something fundamentally wrong with us as a species based on how all of our misery is self-manufactured
if humans are corruptive when in power
we can combine liquid democracy, consensus democracy, the academia and a culture of revision to achieve it
but I think first we need a vanguard to erase bourgeois ideology
I don't think it would help.
how is that not just replacing the hierarchy with a different one