It is not about opinions.

Versions

Are different.

One popular idea inspired by Judaism and Christianity is not necessarily correct.

That's not what I am say. I am saying that science shows, especially in the last decade or so, that the universe had a beginning. And because of this, the First Mover argument is hard to refute.

@Deleted User Which theory you are talking about?

Do you mean the science or the argument?

I mean how the theory of physics you are with is called?

The Big Bang? http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-origin-of-the-universe.html

The Big Bang was a theory created by a Catholic Priest

That's not relevant.

ok

@Deleted User it is relevant.

Why, because Catholics are in a conspiracy with science and the bourgeoisie to discredit diamat?

Because what you call science is just a theory. It can be incorrect.

There is not enough evidence.

To make a conclusion.

Yet it is forced by all religions into science.

I think universe is eternal.

What do you mean 'just a theory' and 'not enough evidence'? All evidence and physics points this way. Saying 'it can be incorrect' is the same argument Believers use to assert God's existence, which is neither here nor there. Unless you have a refutation or better theory, it is a pointless statement to make.

@Deleted User Not true. The theory has to be proven, it has to be correct.. Can you prove it to me?

Can you disprove the big bang?

I yet never seen a prove.

Because it's been accepted by most credible scientists.

See Chopin the argument?

@Firefly I can show you evidences like cosmic microwave background, observations of black holes, and expansion of the universe, then apply mathematics to form a theoretical model.

@Deleted User You have to involve thought process to link things.

What if you use an incorrect one?

Even with correct data

The result is wrong

It's possible. Nothing in science is final.

What if most scientists never learned the correct one?

What I really need is a better theory to disprove the First Mover argument.

Not a hope or a prayer.

The best argument is to ask for the evidence of the first mover.

If we don't see him thats it

No prove

Otherwise is just imaginary logical combination in abstract.

Matter is different from imagination

It is a logical deduction based on the scientific theory that motion and time had a beginning.