Message from @Firefly
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It depends. Are they using logic correctly, and are the premises sound?
It also depends. Logic used correctly, like in Hegel's case, is also a spook.
Hegel went so far away from reality people can't even understand his writings.
And the result of his writings is idealism, mistake and nonsense.
Hegel strayed too far from observations.
You are going billions of years from observations. Hegel did better.
I no longer need cosmology. Aquinas has arguments that work with an eternal universe.
All time is relative.
Arguments again.
You can make observations about the past.
Most people can't make observations of present.
Which means...?
Their logic is a spook.
Their data is a spook too.
But they usualy persist.
Not sure of the reason for that.
I would argue that their methodology is flawed. Who am I to say why people ignore contrary results?
It is possible to show why people get things wrong.
Irrationality is demonstrable.
Of course.
But if you can get far with reason, why jump off?
Logical arguments are abstractions, yes. Logic is an abstract system. It is not 'wrong'. The premises, though, can be wrong, which makes the conclusions also wrong. But if the premises are accurate, the conclusions will also be accurate.
As observations improve, so do the abstract conclusions.
Always improving.
So why jump off?
>But if the premises are accurate, the conclusions will also be accurate
That is not true
That was Hegels mistake
I mean they are accurate relative to observation.
Correct logic based on correct observation can be also wrong. Most of the time it was wrong in our history.
No observation is 100% accurate. But observations improve. Is that what you mean by they were wrong?
'Wrong' is not the correct word.
Correct logic based on correct observation may lead to the false conclusion and false prediction.
Wait, logic is not only about making predictions. Also, how can correct logic/premise lead to false conclusions?
Have to walk my wife out. Thank you for your time. I'll try to answer this later.
No worries.
@Deleted User Hey I wonder, are you Polish too or just likes his music?
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