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2017-06-10 02:20:50 UTC  

To some degree.

2017-06-10 02:21:02 UTC  

Using abstractions.

2017-06-10 02:21:57 UTC  

And it is helpful for human brain. But the matter itself does not require your rationality.

2017-06-10 02:22:30 UTC  

Most human are irrational too and animals are.

2017-06-10 02:22:43 UTC  

They don't follow logic.

2017-06-10 02:22:58 UTC  

Logic is a spook.

2017-06-10 02:23:30 UTC  

it is very necessary if you work with abstractions.

2017-06-10 02:23:40 UTC  

But it is very limited at the same time.

2017-06-10 02:26:12 UTC  

You arrive at all these conclusions via magic?

2017-06-10 02:26:20 UTC  

Logic has limitations. They are great. they are spooky.

2017-06-10 02:26:59 UTC  

You don't see billions of people doing logical for them but limited things?

2017-06-10 02:27:05 UTC  

Every day

2017-06-10 02:27:51 UTC  

It depends. Are they using logic correctly, and are the premises sound?

2017-06-10 02:28:54 UTC  

It also depends. Logic used correctly, like in Hegel's case, is also a spook.

2017-06-10 02:29:34 UTC  

Hegel went so far away from reality people can't even understand his writings.

2017-06-10 02:30:14 UTC  

And the result of his writings is idealism, mistake and nonsense.

2017-06-10 02:30:25 UTC  

Hegel strayed too far from observations.

2017-06-10 02:30:51 UTC  

You are going billions of years from observations. Hegel did better.

2017-06-10 02:31:44 UTC  

I no longer need cosmology. Aquinas has arguments that work with an eternal universe.

2017-06-10 02:32:17 UTC  

All time is relative.

2017-06-10 02:32:24 UTC  

Arguments again.

2017-06-10 02:32:39 UTC  

You can make observations about the past.

2017-06-10 02:33:00 UTC  

Most people can't make observations of present.

2017-06-10 02:33:17 UTC  

Which means...?

2017-06-10 02:33:33 UTC  

Their logic is a spook.

2017-06-10 02:33:52 UTC  

Their data is a spook too.

2017-06-10 02:34:03 UTC  

But they usualy persist.

2017-06-10 02:34:19 UTC  

Not sure of the reason for that.

2017-06-10 02:34:48 UTC  

I would argue that their methodology is flawed. Who am I to say why people ignore contrary results?

2017-06-10 02:35:52 UTC  

It is possible to show why people get things wrong.

2017-06-10 02:36:59 UTC  

Irrationality is demonstrable.

2017-06-10 02:38:08 UTC  

The world is not completely rational. They are irrational too as part of the world.

2017-06-10 02:38:36 UTC  

Of course.

2017-06-10 02:39:06 UTC  

But if you can get far with reason, why jump off?

2017-06-10 02:41:04 UTC  

Logical arguments are abstractions, yes. Logic is an abstract system. It is not 'wrong'. The premises, though, can be wrong, which makes the conclusions also wrong. But if the premises are accurate, the conclusions will also be accurate.

2017-06-10 02:41:56 UTC  

As observations improve, so do the abstract conclusions.

2017-06-10 02:42:21 UTC  

Always improving.

2017-06-10 02:42:28 UTC  

So why jump off?

2017-06-10 02:42:36 UTC  

>But if the premises are accurate, the conclusions will also be accurate

2017-06-10 02:42:42 UTC  

That is not true