Message from @Firefly

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2017-06-10 02:10:39 UTC  

@Deleted User Statements are also not important.

2017-06-10 02:10:54 UTC  

Or their defense. They are just an abstraction

2017-06-10 02:12:35 UTC  

I think statements are important because without a system of language no thought is possible.

2017-06-10 02:13:00 UTC  

@Deleted User thought is not important for matter.

2017-06-10 02:13:21 UTC  

It is how it is without or with thought.

2017-06-10 02:13:23 UTC  

Oh, it's a spook. I get you now.

2017-06-10 02:13:51 UTC  

Everything not matter (whatever that means) is a spook. Gotcha.

2017-06-10 02:14:16 UTC  

@Deleted User abstractions not based on matter are spooks.

2017-06-10 02:14:53 UTC  

And the one that are based on matter mostly spooks too.

2017-06-10 02:16:02 UTC  

You don't even know what matter is without abstraction.

2017-06-10 02:16:32 UTC  

You pretend that you were born with the knowledge.

2017-06-10 02:17:23 UTC  

You don't know. But that does not matter.

2017-06-10 02:17:40 UTC  

The matter is irrational.

2017-06-10 02:17:58 UTC  

Is it? How do you know?

2017-06-10 02:18:31 UTC  

When you make predictions out of logic most of the time you are wrong.

2017-06-10 02:20:42 UTC  

We can rationalize matter.

2017-06-10 02:20:50 UTC  

To some degree.

2017-06-10 02:21:02 UTC  

Using abstractions.

2017-06-10 02:21:57 UTC  

And it is helpful for human brain. But the matter itself does not require your rationality.

2017-06-10 02:22:30 UTC  

Most human are irrational too and animals are.

2017-06-10 02:22:43 UTC  

They don't follow logic.

2017-06-10 02:22:58 UTC  

Logic is a spook.

2017-06-10 02:23:30 UTC  

it is very necessary if you work with abstractions.

2017-06-10 02:23:40 UTC  

But it is very limited at the same time.

2017-06-10 02:26:12 UTC  

You arrive at all these conclusions via magic?

2017-06-10 02:26:20 UTC  

Logic has limitations. They are great. they are spooky.

2017-06-10 02:26:59 UTC  

You don't see billions of people doing logical for them but limited things?

2017-06-10 02:27:05 UTC  

Every day

2017-06-10 02:27:51 UTC  

It depends. Are they using logic correctly, and are the premises sound?

2017-06-10 02:28:54 UTC  

It also depends. Logic used correctly, like in Hegel's case, is also a spook.

2017-06-10 02:29:34 UTC  

Hegel went so far away from reality people can't even understand his writings.

2017-06-10 02:30:14 UTC  

And the result of his writings is idealism, mistake and nonsense.

2017-06-10 02:30:25 UTC  

Hegel strayed too far from observations.

2017-06-10 02:30:51 UTC  

You are going billions of years from observations. Hegel did better.

2017-06-10 02:31:44 UTC  

I no longer need cosmology. Aquinas has arguments that work with an eternal universe.

2017-06-10 02:32:17 UTC  

All time is relative.

2017-06-10 02:32:24 UTC  

Arguments again.

2017-06-10 02:32:39 UTC  

You can make observations about the past.

2017-06-10 02:33:00 UTC  

Most people can't make observations of present.

2017-06-10 02:33:17 UTC  

Which means...?