Marx himself said that any attempt to disarm the proletariat is terrible

Socsems aren't fucking communists

@Twig Yes they are.

They are two different albeit related ideologies

They are not the same thing

@Twig They are apart of the same belief, that being marxist socialism, they just use different ways to achieve their goals.

Socdems may want gun control but I frankly don't give a shit because they aren't commies. And if they follow Marx, they're doing a terrible job

Their goals aren't full communism

@Twig And again, if they aren't communist, then why did the soviets, cubans, chinese, venezuelans, soviet occupied european countries, and vietnam disarm their population for the sake of arming their armies?

@Twig If they are marxist-socialists, then their end goal is inherently communism, even if otherwise stated.

Yes I wonder why you'd put a limited amount of guns in the hands of the military huh I really wonder why

@Twig What? I never stated that the military would be given a limited amount of guns, I said that the population had their guns stripped and given to the military or destroyed.

because marxist leninists are chiefly concerned with the party in control

and if the workers remain armed after realizing the workers revolution wasnt a workers revolution then they would be in trouble

Communism is shit

@twook Shush, like I said before, let the man do the arguing for himself.

@Deleted User I agree.

Prove me wrong commies

okay

let;s do it

I'm not sure if I could even be called a commie anymore

20 million people have died because of communism

i lean more towards titoism now i guess

@twook >Collapses the same way as the austro-hungarian empire
Oh boy, you really are lost.

Hello friends what is this server

Ever heard of the "great leap forward"
A little project started by Mao

Is this for smart people

that wasnt really a problem with the policies he had enacted if you ask me

everything only started going to shit after he died and it turned into a nationalist free for all

why is killingpeople bad?

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@twook I didn't know that your entire country collapsing after all of the states within it declare independance wasn't a bad thing.

tito died before that happened and im not in this to discuss nationalism

i just believe he had good policies that aided the working class

@twook Well, he failed to stop the nationalism that tore his country apart and led to it collapsing, which is an administraitve and executive failure.

I suppose but I wouldn't blame him exactly, it was kinda inevitable I suppose unless someone very similar to him had succeeded him

but instead it was nationalists who in turn spurred opposing nationalism

@twook >Nationalists opposed nationalists
What?

that happens all the time

when you have two different nations

You can blame tito exactly because he failed to stop his country from collapsing, and the issues plauging it at the time.