Message from @Comrade Skeltal

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2018-03-09 22:50:08 UTC  

I think you should of cooperate with Marxists against the Fascism.

2018-03-09 22:50:18 UTC  

@Comrade Skeltal You are mentioning the purges, correct?

2018-03-09 22:50:19 UTC  

The marxists weren't there to cooperate fire

2018-03-09 22:50:27 UTC  

I'm talking about Spain

2018-03-09 22:50:35 UTC  

We are always there to cooperate.

2018-03-09 22:50:39 UTC  

@Comrade Skeltal Wait what? Trotskyists in spain?

2018-03-09 22:50:47 UTC  

Yes the militias were split up

2018-03-09 22:50:50 UTC  

Based on party line

2018-03-09 22:50:50 UTC  

This is our think. Cooperation.

2018-03-09 22:51:00 UTC  

Fire

2018-03-09 22:51:06 UTC  

The marxists in Spain

2018-03-09 22:51:13 UTC  

Were there to service the foreign policy of the USSR

2018-03-09 22:51:13 UTC  

@Firefly#9983 They did cooperate however, and they still got annihilated.

2018-03-09 22:51:19 UTC  

And prevent a radical revolution in Spain

2018-03-09 22:51:24 UTC  

They werent present to work with anarchists

2018-03-09 22:51:32 UTC  

Hence why they ousted them from government

2018-03-09 22:51:39 UTC  

And shot them and chased them out of the country

2018-03-09 22:51:44 UTC  

As the war was coming to a close

2018-03-09 22:52:10 UTC  

They were explicitly against certain strains of communism

2018-03-09 22:52:30 UTC  

And were trying to prevent a situation in which the western powers would fail to ally with them

2018-03-09 22:52:33 UTC  

Against Germany

2018-03-09 22:52:37 UTC  

In the coming war

2018-03-09 22:52:57 UTC  

At that point, what happened really didn't matter in spain, because at that point, the soviet union was starting to pull out, leadership was collapsing, and so was the military, it was natural at that point, that the communists would have turned on each other for their differences in their beliefs.

2018-03-09 22:53:26 UTC  

But it had been happening, hence the conditional support in aid

2018-03-09 22:54:02 UTC  

People were finding our marxists security forces miles behind the front lines were more armed than the actual troops fighting the war

2018-03-09 22:54:03 UTC  

What?

2018-03-09 22:54:06 UTC  

I think anarchists had much less power and resources. They had to submit to Marxists at that point because they had no opportunity by themselves. In a different situation I would agree they could fight for their cause. But in this situation submission and cooperative agreement with other progressive forces would be more beneficial for everyone. Instead they fought Republican and Marxists and failed catastrophically all together as losers.

2018-03-09 22:54:21 UTC  

They were this armed, explicitly as a means to reverse anarchist actions

2018-03-09 22:54:23 UTC  

And take their arms

2018-03-09 22:54:41 UTC  

It was only later they started shooting everyone as the war was clearly lost

2018-03-09 22:55:09 UTC  

And notice "the communists" weren't turning on eachother

2018-03-09 22:55:19 UTC  

The marxists were purging radical popular ideologies

2018-03-09 22:55:21 UTC  

@Firefly#9983 They would have lost decisively if they still did cooperate, afterall, they did cooperate in the first months of the civil war, but were still beaten time and time again by franco and the falange.

2018-03-09 22:55:40 UTC  

They werent beaten time and time again by Franco, it took years.

2018-03-09 22:55:49 UTC  

@Comrade Skeltal Is that to say that communism from the soviet union WASN'T radical?

2018-03-09 22:55:51 UTC  

And partiality on behalf of the embarking powers

2018-03-09 22:55:57 UTC  

@Deleted User They did provide some resistance.

2018-03-09 22:55:58 UTC  

In spain, no

2018-03-09 22:56:00 UTC  

It wasn't radical

2018-03-09 22:56:05 UTC  

@Firefly#9983 Some, sure.

2018-03-09 22:56:11 UTC  

They literally reverse anarchist collectivization