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really good people i tell ya
the hungarians weren't even anarchists
they were marxists too
goes to show how friendly they are even to each other
@alines Holodomor didn't happen intentionally, it was just the result of a starvation, and stalin leaving the population high and dry.
It was bad because of the famine, but because stalin left the population high and dry because they couldn't cough up the quouta's, then just decided to leave them alone to deal with it.
oh, but i guess the tankies weren't incompetent, no, the anarchists were
I wasn't talking about their compitence though.
it does call their competence into question
Yep, the soviets were pretty damn incompitent, but somehow managed survive, the anarchists however......
how could stalin let those 30000000 ukrainians starve if it was unintentional?
any incompetent state could survive a small group of peasants desu
no matter how competent the peasants are
You've already got mass starvation in the soviet union, where food is scarce, and what do you do when you've got a famine in ukraine that is affecting millions?
You literally cannot do jackshit about it unless you want more to starve.
Hunger was all over SU majorly in Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine
@Firefly#9983 How the fuck did lenin and stalin manage to make starvation even worse than under the russian empire in the middle of WW1?
@Deleted User was it worse?
Yes.
There been hunger in Russian Empire before WW1 much worse
No there wasn't.
The famine was noted, for example, in 1024, 1070, 1092, 1128, 1215, 1230-1231, 1279, 1309 and 1332. Further famine was noted in 1422, 1442, 1512, 1553, 1557 and 1570 years. The reasons were the same as in modern times: drought, excess rain, early frosts, "pruzi" ( locusts ), etc. The XVII century was opened by a terrible famine under Boris Godunov in 1601 and 1602.The famine broke out again in 1608, 1630 and 1636 During the famine in the Nizhny Novgorod province in 1734-1735 peasants fed on rotten oak corn, ate oak acorns, etc. In general, the number of crop failures and famines during the XVII, XVIII and XIX centuries is increasing. In the XVIII century there were 34 crop failures, and during the XIX century only until 1854 there were 35 of them. In 1842, the government stated that the crop failure is repeated every 6-7 years, lasting two years in a row. For the second half of the XIX century, hunger was especially violent, caused by crop failures of 1873, 1880 and 1883. In 1891-1892, 16 provinces of European Russia and Tobol'sk province in Siberia were famished) with a population of 35 million;
All of that until Stalin. After him no more famines
fuck niggers
@Deleted User I agree.
@Firefly#9983 Wait a minute, russia didn't exist in the 9th through 14th centuries, all that existed was the mongol empire, and mouscouvy later on, as well as that, russia didn't formally exist until around the 16th century.
Russia existed before Mongols
It fell apart
No it didn't, it was just a bunch of nomadic slav's.
Most populated agricultural tribe of Europe.
Yhea, a tribe that wasn't russian at all, fell apart, and then was conquered by the mongol's.
It consisted from the same very tribes after. It had same language and culture.
But I agree Russians adopted too many Finns afterwards
@Firefly#9983 No, not the very same tribes, as the previous ones were wiped out by the mongols, infact mouscouvy would not come to power until after the mongolians torched moscow and killed nearly everyone in the surrounding area.
@Deleted User There been a slight 5% to 10% mix in the southern borders of Ukraine indeed. According to genetical studies.
But that not Mongols
That were Tatars
Okay?
All slavic tribes from old Russia are now part of Russia. Except north Ukrainians but that is a matter of time.
Okay?