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I think we’re forgetting who did most of the fighting
Germany.
Kek
also the space race and the nuclear arms race
@ᵈˢʳ✪ That wasn't a joke.
@Zircuits We are talking about the 1920s.
Oh
Nuclear weapons were not even theorized yet.
industrialization played a huge role in their expansion into other fields
@Zircuits That it did.
And they did it so recklessly that millions starved, and went into poverty.
Also Russia lost WW1 remember
@ᵈˢʳ✪ Mhm.
But the thing is that starvation only increased as more communist policies were enacted.
In my opinion, I think Russia moved to collectivisation too early
Lenin abandoned collectivization and allowed for capitalism.
Or maybe it was because the kulaks literally burnt their harvest so the soviets couldn't collectavize it.
BWAHAHAHA
After all, it was predicted that revolution would occur in the most advanced of countries
@maostravelagent We ain't talking about the holodomor, piss off.
Oh
@ᵈˢʳ✪ And that it didn't.
?
Revolution never occured in the advanced cities.
*Or nations
There were no famines under Lenin though, there was a red terror(which was 3 times smaller than the white terror), but no famine.
The common order goes as follows; Feudalism>Capitalism>Socialism>Communism
So why are you talking about famines?
In basic terms
Russia attempted to jump straight from Feudalism to socialism
@maostravelagent Wrong, famine was very present under lenin, but you are too late to comment, we have already moved on.
@ᵈˢʳ✪ Russia wasn't fedual, it was a capitalist and imperialist nation.
most of the country was rural peasantry
Their imperial ambitions were crushed by japan however, who kicked them out of china and actively defended the land from russian presence.
@Zircuits Okay? So was most of the US, canada, and eastern europe.
They had an established urban population for factory development
In other words, they industrialized
@Zircuits And so did russia, it just wasn't widespread.
It may well have been