Message from @ElectricSwine

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2019-07-16 20:23:26 UTC  

What I hate is how housing is considered a commodity, same with food and water

2019-07-16 20:24:01 UTC  

Those things are human rights

2019-07-16 20:31:21 UTC  

It is possible for communism and capitalism to coexist.

What if the government gave you food, water, house, etc.
And companies are still allowed to sell you other stuff

2019-07-16 20:39:14 UTC  

Well that's a social democracy, it's just capitalism with but with a larger lean on socialism

2019-07-16 20:39:57 UTC  

If you want to see communism and democracy working together then you're looking at a system of democratic socialism

2019-07-16 20:41:39 UTC  

Because even though you're basic rights could be guaranteed in a social democracy you still have the issue of a ruling class and a broken system of representative democracy instead of direct democracy

2019-07-16 20:48:04 UTC  

Direct democracy ain't that good

2019-07-16 20:49:51 UTC  

What's the issue with it?

2019-07-16 20:51:58 UTC  

Well

2019-07-16 20:52:22 UTC  

Normally it's a mess to organize

2019-07-16 20:52:32 UTC  

Then if you ever manage to organize such a thing

2019-07-16 20:52:57 UTC  

You end up with an asembly or whatever with people that have very different ideas on how to deal with the countrie's problems

2019-07-16 20:53:30 UTC  

And to top it off most of them can be inexperienced af

2019-07-16 20:56:57 UTC  

You have a good example of a society going maybe a bit too democratic

2019-07-16 20:57:06 UTC  

The weimar republic

2019-07-16 20:57:25 UTC  

There were no restrictions whatsoever in political parties

2019-07-16 20:57:33 UTC  

At first this sounds great right?

2019-07-16 20:57:57 UTC  

Well you end up realising there's more than 50 parties

2019-07-16 20:58:16 UTC  

To form a cabinet you must scramble through all of them to get a nish majority

2019-07-16 20:58:40 UTC  

And your goverment would fall apart whener one of those parties would withraw their support

2019-07-16 20:59:24 UTC  

Well you're assuming there would be some sort cabinet or national body, direct democracy operates on a small decentralized scale

2019-07-16 20:59:35 UTC  

There is no head or central leader

2019-07-16 20:59:43 UTC  

Alright, so like in comunities basically?

2019-07-16 20:59:56 UTC  

Anarchism?

2019-07-16 20:59:56 UTC  

You mean that?

2019-07-16 21:00:22 UTC  

Yeah pretty much, the Weimar Republic was still a representative democracy

2019-07-16 21:00:52 UTC  

Well

2019-07-16 21:00:57 UTC  

That's a bit tricky

2019-07-16 21:01:18 UTC  

At first an anarchist free territory might and just might be swallowed by another country

2019-07-16 21:01:42 UTC  

Considering there's nothing opposing it whatsoever and the region is isolated and doesn't trade anyways

2019-07-16 21:02:25 UTC  

Then there's the problem of organizing those communites to actually produce things efficiently for everyone to get their needs done

2019-07-16 21:02:39 UTC  

And when everyone gets a full say in that

2019-07-16 21:02:43 UTC  

Things get trickier

2019-07-16 21:02:55 UTC  

With hundreds of opinions on how to produce

2019-07-16 21:03:02 UTC  

Whenever to produce something at all

2019-07-16 21:03:12 UTC  

Or what to do with the produced things

2019-07-16 21:03:18 UTC  

It can work, yes

2019-07-16 21:03:37 UTC  

In fact there's a million worker cooperative here in spain, all of hem having a say

2019-07-16 21:03:46 UTC  

But they organize themselves into factions

2019-07-16 21:03:54 UTC  

And that slides into representatove democracy

2019-07-16 21:09:02 UTC  

Well direct democracy is really just rep democracy on a very small scale, you would see a ward of a hundred people or less electing a representative whom they can switch out at any time. Direct democracy would be more efficient since the lack of terms results in decisions being made faster than the bureaucracy found in modern rep democracies.