Message from @Prometheus
Discord ID: 640025176116953091
You always counter argue me as if I don't know, what I am talking about. But you don't see the contradictory element of what you say or propose.
If you deny what I say, you don't counter argue. But you just say it's unknowable and human nature isn't static, predictable or discernable.
But if you just deny, and you aren't claiming anything as a counter, to my statements.
That is what it seems, what you are telling to me.
Also I never said human nature is stagnant. If you misunderstood what I said in a poetic sense, to the Tool song I posted. You seemed to solidify the case that I believe in a solid human nature.
Quite the contrary actually.
Nature is still different, from learnt behavior keep that in check.
To deny nature itself, is non explanatory.
You have to explain your case
But I have to give you credit, you got one thing right. I am a disillusioned conservative.
```Other don't seem to reliable as Capitalism, even though it has it's faults and major faults. Almost to the point of complete hypocrisy.
But it functions is a way that maintains order.```
What exactly is Capitalism then? Capitalism focuses on the needs on higher ups and will until the end of its existence. Creating societies purely run by capitalists is a horrible idea on the social and economic levels, corporations only value profit and not human lives. You wanna create a billion Caesars? Give a bunch of rich assholes power over everything and except them to control their hounds.
```I don't know of any other system that regulates the economy as good as capitalism and retain a certain amount of functional order.```
Order is a huge lie, order is death and the rape of humanity as a whole. Look at any authoritarian society and tell me that order is a good idea.
```Also The State only has few function under a true free market
You don't have to fear the things you are seeing today
Believe you are sending me hypotheticals and the same on my area```
How the hell can I trust the greedy to "be well for the economy" when they will literally control fucking everything they can for power, only limited by a false NAP that will in the end, mean nothing to the individuals prosperity unless you are rich. Suicides will become company regulation and everything will slowly assure itself out of existence like normal. "Other Extremists" will react to this rise and raise a jihad for another 1000 years in a state of perpetual war.
```Also you deny human nature? What basis do you have for your claim.```
Human nature is convoluted at best and at worst non existent, no two situations in mankind are the same for what ever they value.
```What exactly is Capitalism then? Capitalism focuses on the needs on higher ups and will until the end of its existence. Creating societies purely run by capitalists is a horrible idea on the social and economic levels, corporations only value profit and not human lives. You wanna create a billion Caesars? Give a bunch of rich assholes power over everything and except them to control their hounds.```
What a typical Marxist answer if you think it was all exploitation why do even think for a minute people came from the rural areas and various other places. Just to enslave themselves. Come on seriously, why so many want to enslave themselves.
```Order is a huge lie, order is death and the rape of humanity as a whole. Look at any authoritarian society and tell me that order is a good idea.```
When is order a lie, you have order here do you not, is this discord purely unregulated. Give me a break.
```How the hell can I trust the greedy to "be well for the economy" when they will literally control fucking everything they can for power, only limited by a false NAP that will in the end, mean nothing to the individuals prosperity unless you are rich. Suicides will become company regulation and everything will slowly assure itself out of existence like normal. "Other Extremists" will react to this rise and raise a jihad for another 1000 years in a state of perpetual war.```
It's not always greedy and poor you know. Ever thought of production and the work. If some produces more how the hell is he greedy. Also the shareholders, willing consumers and not to mention your compliance in the benefits yet never the loss or the cost. how do you explain that.
```Human nature is convoluted at best and at worst non existent, no two situations in mankind are the same for what ever they value.```
If it's convoluted how would you explain your perfect Communist system, in which Marx proposed all existing social conditions be eradicated, as a very bold claim. Without any road map, on what you may do, and certainly no end either. As you never made it up anyway.
I see
```What a typical Marxist answer if you think it was all exploitation why do even think for a minute people came from the rural areas and various other places. Just to enslave themselves. Come on seriously, why so many want to enslave themselves.```
They don't want to enslave themselves, they want to get profit and get rich like the man in the white collar. Its been an unhealthy situation since the push in the early 1800s and now we arrive where we are now with this madness brewing. Capitalism, if its what you say it is, will never come to be unless someone is willing to give up all their political control, which nobody is, and then somehow convince the world that pure capitalism will work this way and not lead to generations of wanna be millionaires driving society to purely greedy and careless bastards. Human lives will become more and more worthless unless you have money, money that many won't be able to get without luck. You remember in 1984 where Winston described how the Proles were utter degenerates and cared for nothing outside of their tiny bubble? Yeah that times across a massive society after a couple generations. The few control all and no "libertarian" with their Punisher skull or anonymous mask can fix that.
```When is order a lie, you have order here do you not, is this discord purely unregulated. Give me a break.```
Order is a lie because Order implies society gives a shit enough to create it, which to a degree Capitalism has attempted to create this.
You have a point in this one, but society inwardly craves for it. Just see pure anarchy, without even a slight ideological structure and you'll shudder.
I get the isolation point you have in the enslavement part. But it's exactly the inversely the same in the case of collectivism
The tyranny of the Majority
heard of it
Why we had constitutions in the first place.
Give everyone control, and no one has it.
Only the ideologue
the demagogue
```It's not always greedy and poor you know. Ever thought of production and the work. If some produces more how the hell is he greedy. Also the shareholders, willing consumers and not to mention your compliance in the benefits yet never the loss or the cost. how do you explain that.```
A willing consumer only cares for the product and not the products manufacturing or untold suffering. We both seem to be speaking from a middle class perspective that we to a limited degree think the class here is fading in the USA. The poor deserve more say and control then they are granted by the ivory tower worshippers and the man beyond.
```If it's convoluted how would you explain your perfect Communist system, in which Marx proposed all existing social conditions be eradicated, as a very bold claim. Without any road map, on what you may do, and certainly no end either. As you never made it up anyway.```
I don't believe in perfection because humans aren't ever to achieve it. The Overman proves this and humanity can't even achieve it. Marx wanted their lands and worshippers wiped out, not the fact they existed, he was after all an historian. There is a road map, its the matter of getting there that Leftists agree to commit to in the end, they all agree where they must go but never how to get there
Big Brother and the party
How they amass that power you ignore
The party is too be destroyed as well
Oh well, I guess will stop arguing, I do like what you propose, but just want the results in the right way. Not end up in a new form of tyranny.
Right now my concern is with tech and how much control it has on our lives. The capitalist as you might coin him has more control than he could ever dream before. How to stop this giant monster, I have no clue and it's keeps getting bigger and bigger.
heehheheehheeh
good
the primmie path is one of insanity
but its the best one for you lmfao
Unabomber time
Will give it a read, thanks
I wish I was better with Prim Theory but im more focused on the praxis of it
@Cúchulainn slave
post your shit
he has more pdfs than I do
Europa über alles
I've my share of .pdfs because I used to have a kink for collecting them, but I'm exhausted lads spare me
Shut the fuck up faggot @hans the homofascist
nice
@Cúchulainn shut up subhuman
@hans the homofascist ok cope
says the human parasite