same for the inverse

@ACentralScrutinizer That is where morals and self-control come in. You have to learn to live with other people, because human beings are social beings.

That’s true, but we’re building a base here my friend, to extrapolate to the greater population. Because it doesn’t matter what one persons thoughts are, but what affects the unwashed masses. You’d have to ask, is equality something that exists without humanity?

yes

equality is a difference of attributes/properties

Equilibrium ⚖

Right

To say that equality does not exist is fallacy. Both inequality and equality must exist together, however, unhealthy inequality that was created by Capitalism must be abolished.

who said equality doesnt exist

And what should instated in its void?

Capitalism has done more for equality than any communist or fascist government has

i must have missed that

The state @NSG1488 ?

@Blueroad so we’ve established equality is something that exists independent of humans. So then how about goodness or evil. Are those concepts that exist independent of humanity?

@Deleted User The state that is compromised from Proletarians, not from Bourgeoisie, since Marx made a mistake in some of his reasonings that allowed Bourgeoisie to take over.

im not sure, i certainly cant see any reason to be obliged to believe that they are existent independently ofnus

These are ethical concepts

@ACentralScrutinizer could we go to another text channel please

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@NSG1488 honestly that just sounds like Corporation 2.0- mainly thinking of the mass production/trash quality

Not really, since mass production can only be created by machines when talking about production of food, metal and other goods.

The point I am trying to say here is that if we want people to advance, we will need to get rid of automation since it is creating what many people call "bullshit jobs"

Those jobs include "Jewtuber" if you know what I mean.

but automation seems to be natural

we should try and work around that

But people get weaker and weaker by allowing machines to take over the jobs that humans are supposed to do

We do not want society to collapse back into the stone age, you know.

i get your point but why can't private venture do the same thing that the state, in your view, should? Both hold the means to abuse the proletariat so to say

just regulate the fuck out of it

i guess

although to certain extent it becomes unfeasable

Well, the thing is that Capitalism is adaptable

It allowed itself to corrupt the state.

You cannot have a free market capitalism when the state is a thing.

We must become machines

All we need is some kind of mind-to-cloud transfer

Marx said that Capitalism is inherently exploitative, and will even destroy nature for profit.