Message from @Ned Kelly
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Also theology did in fact have an effect on the Protestant reformation
It's wrong to say it was just political
Its not all political lol, but most nobles sided with the church due to their lack of influence in their politics
Martin Luther came up with the idea of "Sola Fide" and "Sola Scriptura." Sola Fide basically means salvation by faith alone. Sola Scriptura denies the veneration of saints and says the word of Christ only comes from the Bible
The average peasant wasnt converted because of deep theological debate
Yes but Luther did come up with new theological ideas
I would say they were more reformed in a sense, since the original church had followed closely to what he was trying to create with his new branch
woah
Theology?
I’m into Buddhist Theology if that’s cool
Lol no Luther made up shit
Lutheranism spread because of the Hundred Years' War resulting in some secularism, and also because the Church didn't realize the damage it'd do to society so they were too scared to execute him before he caused any trouble:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War
Luther came up with sola scriptura, but sola fide is a Calvinist thing. Calvinism does derive from Lutheranism though.
Protestants didn't reform anything, they actively made up their own doctrine and broke off from the Catholics. And if you look at Luther's own writings, you can see that the idea that the Lutherans were protesting corruption in the Church is one that was made up long after his time, because he wasn't complaining about any of that (because the Church wasn't actually corrupt). Luther's complaint was that he didn't believe in free will.
What?
The 100 years war involved France, Burgundy, Iberia, and England
Never any parts of Protestantism
Those were the states involved in the war itself, but it affected the rest of Christendom as well.
How?
The War of the Roses impacted it more
Because the various kingdoms throughout Christendom were all united due to the way their governments were structured. The kings only ruled over each respective one, but the Church ruled over all of them by ruling over each king.
Besides, even if the Church was corrupt and Luther wanted to fix it, all he had to do was report it to the offending clergy's higher-ups in the hierarchy and thus get them expelled. The fact that he didn't do that showed that he clearly had something else in mind, as his own writings show.
But he “attempted” to reform the church
No he didn't.
Idk why you deny the church was corrupt at the time
Simony is not a good reputation to have
Because it wasn't. I've seen his own writings before.
Nepotism is a horrible thing in general
He never talked about the Church being corrupt.
He complained about how he thought that free will is a fairy tale.
He started a revolution.
That was his later works I thought
He never had any goal of reforming the Church because there was nothing to reform in the first place. He wanted to weaken the Church and form his own church, which is exactly what he did.
In his paper, De servo arbitrio (On the Bondage of the Will), Luther considered that "the dogma of free will" has no foundation in scripture and, therefore, has to be "completely abandoned and counted amongst fairy tales". In a letter to Erasmus of Rotterdam, Luther praises Erasmus for not afflicting him "with those strange things about the papacy, Purgatory, indulgences, and the like," but instead "detecting the CARDINAL POINT," and "attacking the MAIN THING itself." What is the "main thing" that Luther is talking about? It is Luther’s opinion "that free will is a pure lie."
He started it because he generally wanted to reform the church, he only attempted to create another church after the diet of Worms
Mainly because he pope excommunicated the bastard
Another reformations happened before him but are mostly not talked about at all anymore
Which had most justification than he could ever
There is no evidence for the claim that the Church was corrupt and Luther wanted to reform it. If you actually look at what Luther himself said, you see no mentions of that stuff, just complaints about how he disagreed with the Church's doctrines. It wasn't until centuries later that people started claiming that the Church was corrupt and Luther wanted to fix it.
@Deleted User I meant in the context that Saints come around in the church in the Medieval Era
No there have been saints all throughout Christian history
Yeah but they werent “officially” proclaimed until much later