Remember the three lads who refused to bow to the king (I don't rmember their names) they were trown into fire. I believe that it goes:
Follow God before the law, follow the law before ones own pleasures.

My point of contention isn’t religious though. I believe killing is wrong period

But if the slave survives you may keep it for it is your property

Sounds like it’s endorsing slavery

God also saved them and they didn’t burn

It likely implies to obey those who enforce the laws of God, those which are morally just, but if a government refuses to obey the Lord, then you must rebel, as God is above them.

yes, but I was elaborating more on the anti-govt side of that story lol

So how does one measure if they are doing the will of God? Cause just with this argument both sides are in the Bible

I think the issue then, from your standing, should be, is there ever a situation in which the death penalty is correct. If you are not relying on religion, which is why you would cite the 5th Commandment, then your basis is simply the sanctity of life.

I think that is a valid point, however, when citing to a religious source, such as the 5th Commandment, there is a necessity to actually look to other context within that religion. There are a lot of verses that go both ways, especially regarding the ability to carry out the death penalty when one does harm to another.

I cited the 5th commandment because it is literally god saying don’t kill. I would still support that anyways but it was the shortest way to argue it

Also I got class starting rn so I gotta go for now

I think there are other verses of God saying otherwise, specifically in response when one has killed. I am going to ping you this last time for this, because I think it is a worthwhile discussion, and hopefully it doesn't disrupt your class. I'd suggest reading Amy Coney Barrett's Law Review article I sent above when asked by American Soul. The article goes into the differences between an innocent life being taken, which occurs in the case of abortion and euthanasia, and a non-innocent life, which occurs in the scenario of war and when a murder has already occurred. I think it may strengthen your argument, or possibly even change your stance.

https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/law_faculty_scholarship/527/

I think death penalty in VERY rare cases is okay

how rare?

Idk I flip flop on this topic a lot because I do consider myself pro life and I think that has to apply everywhere

Unrepentant murders, child rapes, worst of the worst crime

I think prisons should have forced work for crimes of a certain magnitude as well. Not hard inhuman labor, but something to keep the guys busy, maybe even pick up a job skill. Prisons should be government run, not privetized for profit

@JDCREW

I think they should be government controlled, but for nonviolent crimes such as petty theft, or simple robbery, I think it's more important to ... what's the word? basically fix them rather than punishment. I believe in lowering the repeat offender rate before cruel punishment

Pro life/Pro death penalty Babies are innocent therefore they should not be killed for there parents being reckless, killing a child is not a way to fix your mistakes, murders deserve to die because they are not innocent.

And who says you are the one to kill him?

God can make people who don't follow Him do it.

God used pharaoh as an example for the world never to even think about fighting against God.

Right there it says that a man who kills another man must be slain. I think that in that specific context, it would mark him as killable, and it would not be wicked to slay that man by another's hand, but as discussed earlier, it gets a little funky regarding capital punishment in the Bible

It did not say must be slain it says he will be killed

big difference

is there?

"will be killed" imo seems like a demand to kill him

@hdcrew

@JDCREW It's a curse not a command

How do you mean?

You believe in curses and blessing correct?

Well imagine if I say this:

"I wish your life was cursed forever and all who see you despise you"

Of course i'd never want to say such a thing because I would never curse someone

well yes, but this seems more a command to Noah. part of his covenant with God if I remember correctly. The curses in Genesis are pretty explicit.
In Genesis 9:25-27 we read: “Then he said: ‘Cursed be Canaan ; a servant of servants he shall be to his brethren.’ And he said: ‘Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem , and may Canaan be his servant. May God enlarge Japheth , and may he dwell in the tents of Shem; and may Canaan be his servant.’”

Not all things are worded such a way

Hold on let me find the hebrew

No, but I am of the belief that God would have said "cursed be he who sheds the blood of man" rather than "he who sheds man's blood shall have his blood shed by man"

not in all places got says cursed be

I feel that it clearly says another man must kill he who commits murder