Message from @DisneyChick

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2021-01-29 01:22:32 UTC  

```Two expended and beleaguered men shouldered the burden of their lordship's cart, careful lest they disturb their cargo;```

2021-01-29 01:22:54 UTC  

Do you see the pacing changes?

2021-01-29 01:23:18 UTC  

Yeah. And I started to read it back to myself and definitely saw what you meant

2021-01-29 01:23:46 UTC  

Or rather, felt, because I only got 2/3 of the way through before I had to stop and catch my breath properly

2021-01-29 01:25:55 UTC  

```In spite of the afternoon sun, the markets, mainstreet, and alleys within Fort Leer sagged low, damp with the weight of the breathless, hungry, and exhausted; two expended and beleaguered men shouldered the burden of their lordship's cart, careful lest they disturb their cargo; behind the cart, more guards, marching in steel footfalls; their presence was a promise: anything more than watching would be rewarded with a trip to the dirty ground;```

2021-01-29 01:26:12 UTC  

Personally, I mustered the energy to read the first few lines and then lost it, my eyes started to wander. I guess I just dont like being introduced to a setting in this way, where the narrator is depicting what's going on. I like a more personal, action-filled, paint the picture as you go kind of approach. Like for example, maybe one of the peasants steps out of line like trips or something and one of the soldiers treats him ruthlessly. Show dont tell you know.

2021-01-29 01:26:45 UTC  

Ahah, yeah. The reading out loud test is a lot of how I check pacing and dialogue, but I trained in theater, so I look at inflection and pauses for delivery and it helps a lot with finding where readability struggles.

2021-01-29 01:27:26 UTC  

But I really like the voice in the piece, it's very, very strong and is going to do really well to pull of the continual sentence and the drawn out, never-ending vibe

2021-01-29 01:28:02 UTC  

Okay, so I’m still at least mostly on track

2021-01-29 01:28:30 UTC  

And @DisneyChick I did plan on a tension build where some of the tribute falls from the cart

2021-01-29 01:29:00 UTC  

Though this is more going to serve as a setup or Chekhov’s gun so to speak

2021-01-29 01:29:02 UTC  

For sure. I think you're very on track. I think what I'm catching is a lot of what will come out when you revise/edit for voice/pacing.

2021-01-29 01:29:07 UTC  

I mean yea, but I think the problem is the way in which you introduce the setting. It's just boring.

2021-01-29 01:29:29 UTC  

It's a cool settling, but boring way of introducing it

2021-01-29 01:29:37 UTC  

Yup. That’s something I will be amending.

2021-01-29 01:29:47 UTC  

Or addressing rather

2021-01-29 01:30:22 UTC  

Like I said, this isn’t going to be the opening to the book, rather what Kirk is getting at and an establishment of a people’s plight within the setting

2021-01-29 01:30:52 UTC  

But I will definitely take more steps to keep it from reading like paint dries xD

2021-01-29 01:31:01 UTC  

Right, but even still, show dont tell is 99% of the time the better option

2021-01-29 01:31:30 UTC  

👍

2021-01-29 01:31:42 UTC  

Either way, I like your writing style. You sound like a professional writter

2021-01-29 01:32:24 UTC  

I disagree with this.

2021-01-29 01:32:30 UTC  

A good story is a mixture of show and tell at the right times

2021-01-29 01:32:45 UTC  

Telling is only ever right in the interest of time

2021-01-29 01:33:05 UTC  

I’ll probably spend the next chunk of time that goes into this specific section on showing rather than telling. And thanks! That’s higher praise than I deserve, seeing as I’ve got nothing published to my name

2021-01-29 01:33:07 UTC  

I disagree, but that's going to be a stylistic difference. I'm just bringing up the disagreement because I think too often it's used as advice that's a more or less catch all that's not necessarily accurate in a lot of situations... It is accurate in many situations for sure, but it's not as accurate as some might suggest.

2021-01-29 01:33:33 UTC  

Addendum: there are parts that I definitely want to show as opposed to tell

2021-01-29 01:33:56 UTC  

And you can say that, but as for me, too much telling will bore me, and I dont have an abundant supply of patience for it

2021-01-29 01:34:17 UTC  

I understand that.

2021-01-29 01:34:21 UTC  

See previous comment for more detail

2021-01-29 01:34:24 UTC  

IE the Guards, the faces, and at some point the action

2021-01-29 01:34:35 UTC  

I'm sure theres a lot of others out there that would get bored easily too. It's why tv shows and anime's are more popular than reading books. People want to be shown, not told

2021-01-29 01:34:45 UTC  

I stated disagreement only for the purpose of it not seeming like there's blanket agreement on the rules.

2021-01-29 01:34:47 UTC  

"rules."

2021-01-29 01:35:02 UTC  

Everyone has a different way of writing and style very much dictates what someone can and cannot get away with and what people are willing to read or not.

2021-01-29 01:35:14 UTC  

Its not about "rules" it's about keeping your audience engaged

2021-01-29 01:35:42 UTC  

Telling can be seriously boring.

But showing via nostrils flaring, furrowed eyebrows, and heavy breathing is also not always the the best for keeping momentum if it's not as important compared to "he was angry."

2021-01-29 01:36:13 UTC  

Yeah, and telling can be engaging. Showing can be disengaging. It depends on style and what's being written. :|

2021-01-29 01:37:19 UTC  

I was just disagreeing with your 99% of the time. I'm not saying anything on the importance of showing nor that a story shouldn't be engaging. That's it.

2021-01-29 01:37:50 UTC  

The work is more interesting and engaging when theres little narratorion input

2021-01-29 01:38:23 UTC  

But like I said earlier, tell is only ever good when timing is an issue