Message from @DeButcher

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2021-02-04 16:53:06 UTC  

laughable

2021-02-04 16:53:14 UTC  

You're misconstruing my argument.

2021-02-04 16:53:25 UTC  

how so

2021-02-04 16:53:47 UTC  

explain it to me

2021-02-04 16:53:51 UTC  

what don't I understand

2021-02-04 16:54:30 UTC  

Bloody heck, this Wi-Fi...

Freaking hate my schools wi-fi, I'll have to come back later

2021-02-04 16:54:51 UTC  

lmao I understand

2021-02-04 16:57:45 UTC  

its not really context of the time, but context of the word slavery, people are saying that slavery as said in the exodus verses means a Voluntary indentured servitude in where the 'master' is paying the 'slave' or servant in other translations. The problem here seems to be a lack of solid definition of the word slavery in that verse.

2021-02-04 17:00:47 UTC  

Not true. Indentured servitude is never voluntary and never right

2021-02-04 17:01:10 UTC  

I wouldn’t say that the Bible is pro slavery just because it has slavery in it, if anything, it’s anti-slavery, Jesus constantly identified with the poor, slaves, and sinners, also let’s not forget that Joseph is a man that is sold into slavery and ends up second only to the Pharaoh! That shows that through God you can do anything!

2021-02-04 17:01:13 UTC  

God would know what is ultimately moral, and if he says people won't be punished for owning and beating "their property" then that is equally abhorent

2021-02-04 17:01:44 UTC  

@Onespicyboi God says people who own indentured servants won't be punished unless they KILL THEM

2021-02-04 17:01:52 UTC  

this is wrong, people have many times in history worked for somebody else to recieve something in return out of their volentury choice to work for them

2021-02-04 17:01:53 UTC  

He only objects to his chosen people being enslaved

2021-02-04 17:02:05 UTC  

That's not what indentured servitude is

2021-02-04 17:02:13 UTC  

then how do you define it

2021-02-04 17:02:37 UTC  

Indentured servitude is involuntary labor, usually in regards to ancient POWs

2021-02-04 17:02:45 UTC  

i thought it was a contract where you say "hey im gonna work for you if you do this for me"

2021-02-04 17:02:46 UTC  

I want to see the receipts...

2021-02-04 17:03:02 UTC  

scroll up

2021-02-04 17:03:18 UTC  

Or damage the body of the slave. Nothing wrong punishing a slave but you can't damage the slave. Reread exodus 21

2021-02-04 17:03:55 UTC  

bruh

2021-02-04 17:04:00 UTC  

that's what I'm saying

2021-02-04 17:04:22 UTC  

Punishment or physical harm is not prohibited unless they don't recover in 3 days

2021-02-04 17:29:30 UTC  

Well that's interesting... Reading Exodus 21

2021-02-04 17:31:28 UTC  

6 ¶ And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

2021-02-04 17:31:40 UTC  

So slavery is illegal

2021-02-04 17:34:17 UTC  

26 ¶ And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake.
27 And if he smite out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant’s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake

2021-02-04 17:35:44 UTC  

If the master punishes the slave unto permanent damage, such as missing eye or hand he is required to let the slave go

2021-02-04 17:36:15 UTC  

Or what wound he caused will be inflicted on him

2021-02-04 17:40:13 UTC  

Also, servants are not slaves, there's a difference between the two

2021-02-04 17:43:15 UTC  

@Ranger_720 , we were all wrong, it isn't indentured servitude, if the man puts himself on the market and bought he is to be treated fairly.

2021-02-04 17:44:49 UTC  

I won't be responding for a while, data is expensive...

2021-02-04 17:54:02 UTC  

Servant/slave is a difference in translations. Moreover, this just highlights the fact that the bible contradicts itself multiple times.

2021-02-04 17:54:32 UTC  

This whole argument proves Christianity is sketchy because, even citing valid verses, its true meaning is up for debate!

2021-02-04 18:14:30 UTC  

These are novice level "Contradictions."
Tell me, if killing a person is wrong why do we use the death penalties for serial killers? Better yet, why do we bother to kill war criminals? Why do we bother to even have an army that are TRAINED to kill?
This just highlights the fact that government contradicts itself multiple times.

2021-02-04 18:24:37 UTC  

And if the government contradicts itself it has to be some fiction someone created right?

2021-02-04 18:25:17 UTC  

Well, thats what your arguments logic implies anyway.

2021-02-04 18:34:12 UTC  

Not at all

2021-02-04 18:34:15 UTC  

That is stupid logic

2021-02-04 18:34:19 UTC  

Absolute idiocy