Message from @monty
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I see this argument a ton, yes it is most likely true. However, it is simply a redirection used to end the conversation. I really don't understand the conclusion, if you are saved and then sin, only to repent and then sin again, you are still saved. Is that agreeable?
There is some debate on whether you can lose your salvation or not.
I personally believe that if you were truly saved, you can't lose your salvation.
When we are saved and sin, we feel the guilt for it, and know what we did was wrong. While when you're not saved, you may not feel any guilt at all (depending on what you did, of course).
The difference is, when we're saved, we try to do better and not sin, even if we fail, we still tried. We're still not perfect. While those not saved may not care if they do certain things or not (maybe not the case for murder and such, but more so for things that the world has deemed good, but Christ said otherwise).
One thing people who argue that you can lose it use is Judas after he betrayed Jesus
They try to claim that all of the disciples were saved but there is no evidence to support that.
Think of it as a sinking ship (being the world) with no land in sight.
Some people don't even realize the ship is sinking. Others know that it is, but don't know what to do. And the Christians are in the life boats (which are Jesus Christ) that are using navigation (which would be the Holy Spirit) to go towards the land (that is God the Father in Heaven).
The Christians tell people to come this way to safety, but no one believes them.
While the people in the life boat may drift around a little, they are still on the way to land.
Some may have started to follow, but turned back to the ship. Others may have gotten lost and are going in circles
But the ones who turned back or got lost, were never committed to going in the first place
and if you're wondering how the ones who got lost were at fault and not committed, they took off on detours and breaks, thinking they would always still be able to follow the main lifeboats, only to find they couldn't see them anymore.
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i just wonder, if we could save ourselves, why did Jesus have to die?
We should first identify what faith, salvation and work is
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I would say faith is trust in the Lord, to follow even if you don't know the reason for things.
Salvation would be God's forgiveness of you, and your justification and redemption.
And works, things or actions that you do in the world.
agreed
11 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 For by it the people of old received their commendation. 3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.
Hebrews 11:1-3
happy Ash Wednesday to everyone who celebrates
Rest in peace Rush Limbaugh, may God find a place for you in eternal rest <:slpyDorime:733596141249364028>
The warrior finally gets to rest.
That is true, but being religeous isnt a good quality in general. Jesus hated it in the church leadership of his day.
Pharasies
he had a LOT to say about them
Yup
Jesus didnt believe in religion, he believed in making a difference.
Yes, i truly agree on that one
He was a Jew
So yes he did believe in religion
But he agreed more with bringing people to God and to heaven
And saving humanity from sin
Jesus did not believe in religion. Religion is not the same as faith. There are millions of christians who think going to church and acting religious on sunday is all they need to be "good with god."
they have no faith what so ever
and the moment something bad happens they will go "How can a good god do such bad things? I dont beleive in him anymore." despite beliving in him in the same way a person beleives in a vending machine.
You’re right, you need so much more than that
They need to implement the readings heard on Sunday into their every day lives. Which is why priests or deacons usually say “Go and announce the Good News of God.” At the very end of mass
Well i mean look at James 1:27. God, first and foremost, wants a relationship with you. But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t want you to do good works. Rather, he wants those works to be a result of your faith, instead of works being the entirety of your faith.
thats a great way to put it!
i found an interesting principle while reading my bible and thats that before we are saved we have to follow the 10 commandments, but when we get saved we GET to follow the law. sometimes it feels like some Christians make it sound like the law is bad but technically its the way God wants us to live our lives so it must be the best way to live. just my thoughts on the subject of works in regards to faith
Exactly
God isnt a buzzkill, he has rules for a reason, and he wants us to live our best lives with Him.
yeah, and the rules are good, we just don't see it that way sometimes :/