No one deserves to be raped. Sometimes god allows it to bring about something even better, but to think that a person is given suffering just because they are not following gods plan is probably an idea created by the “prosperity” Christians, and is just ignorant of the whole message of Christ. God allows rain to fall upon the just and the unjust.

As a Catholic I tend to think that suffering is an important part of our journey to Christ. Suffering brings you closer to God. It teaches you to be selfless and to appreciate the good things in life. We can offer our sufferings for the sake of others. That’s just my point of view

As I am the same for you, I don’t think rape applies in this case

Yes there is always an opportunity in suffering

Maybe you weren’t referencing that

Sorry I didn’t read back the whole conversation

That’s what I was just typing too

Originally u were talking about self defense right? Like way earlier I thought that’s how this convo got started

I believe that was it

One guy was really extreme

I agreed with him on a general sense (pro self-defense) but he went off the rails

Yes I noticed. Very interesting to see different ppls ideas even if I don’t understand them. I just dont feel I’m equipped enough to argue my thoughts

Seems like such a simple topic 🤦‍♀️

You should, most of the time you need to defend your beliefs

It’s not always easy

I don’t know that God necessarily has a hand in every detail. I believe He allows things to happen but is not specifically putting cancer cells in people or giving a murderer the drive to kill someone. I think He just allows for it to potentially happen. It’s free will

I just feel I don’t know how to voice what I want to say or I might confuse ppl. But I really do love conversations like this

I agree, I feel that God is quite passive in life, he doesn’t seem to interfere with life as much as he did. He helps but not as majorly or in numbers as he did in the past

To start, never have negative thoughts like that. It usually causes you to never succeed in that subject

Well I’m glad u understood me just fine 😊

No the older I get the more I believe EVERYTHING is providential. Down to the last hair on your head (or cell in your body)

It wasn’t that hard, you are quite clear when you talk

Thank you!

It’s just hard to FEEL like He knows, but he does

Since we’re on the subject of how much is part of a specific plan I’d like to pose a question that I’ve been thinking about a while

Shoot

I’m all ears

I can see that good can come from suffering. A person can learn and grow from it. Especially if that person is in a dark place. But what I cannot understand is why completely innocent unborn babies, born babies, and children should ever have to suffer

They are people too

A baby can’t even understand why it’s happening or have anything to gain or learn ):

It just seems like the greatest evil to do harm to an innocent baby

Not through the mind, but their soul is aware and present

Well, this is due to sin, pain comes directly from the fall of man. It personally hurst God when things like that happen. So that’s why we must combat things like abortion

In fact, they have to gain the greatest graces, since they are completely and utterly abandoned to Gods will

True

But still

Still it is the greatest abomination to God and a condemnation to us all

So is it possible that any good could ever come from bringing harm to a baby? It doesn’t seem so

Besides the fact aborted babies probably go straight to heaven, no

I hope so

Well you don’t know, it could bring about the conversion of the mother. Maybe the mother was on the path to hell, and after her abortion, she was in pain and turned her life around. Then in the end, she reunited with her baby in heaven.