Message from @Nuggyoriginalđ¤
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This conversation seems a little extreme
No one deserves to be raped. Sometimes god allows it to bring about something even better, but to think that a person is given suffering just because they are not following gods plan is probably an idea created by the âprosperityâ Christians, and is just ignorant of the whole message of Christ. God allows rain to fall upon the just and the unjust.
As a Catholic I tend to think that suffering is an important part of our journey to Christ. Suffering brings you closer to God. It teaches you to be selfless and to appreciate the good things in life. We can offer our sufferings for the sake of others. Thatâs just my point of view
As I am the same for you, I donât think rape applies in this case
Yes there is always an opportunity in suffering
Maybe you werenât referencing that
Sorry I didnât read back the whole conversation
Thatâs what I was just typing too
Originally u were talking about self defense right? Like way earlier I thought thatâs how this convo got started
I believe that was it
One guy was really extreme
I agreed with him on a general sense (pro self-defense) but he went off the rails
Yes I noticed. Very interesting to see different ppls ideas even if I donât understand them. I just dont feel Iâm equipped enough to argue my thoughts
Seems like such a simple topic đ¤Śââď¸
You should, most of the time you need to defend your beliefs
Itâs not always easy
I donât know that God necessarily has a hand in every detail. I believe He allows things to happen but is not specifically putting cancer cells in people or giving a murderer the drive to kill someone. I think He just allows for it to potentially happen. Itâs free will
I just feel I donât know how to voice what I want to say or I might confuse ppl. But I really do love conversations like this
I agree, I feel that God is quite passive in life, he doesnât seem to interfere with life as much as he did. He helps but not as majorly or in numbers as he did in the past
To start, never have negative thoughts like that. It usually causes you to never succeed in that subject
No the older I get the more I believe EVERYTHING is providential. Down to the last hair on your head (or cell in your body)
It wasnât that hard, you are quite clear when you talk
Thank you!
Itâs just hard to FEEL like He knows, but he does
Since weâre on the subject of how much is part of a specific plan Iâd like to pose a question that Iâve been thinking about a while
Shoot
Iâm all ears
I can see that good can come from suffering. A person can learn and grow from it. Especially if that person is in a dark place. But what I cannot understand is why completely innocent unborn babies, born babies, and children should ever have to suffer
They are people too
A baby canât even understand why itâs happening or have anything to gain or learn ):
It just seems like the greatest evil to do harm to an innocent baby
Not through the mind, but their soul is aware and present
Well, this is due to sin, pain comes directly from the fall of man. It personally hurst God when things like that happen. So thatâs why we must combat things like abortion
In fact, they have to gain the greatest graces, since they are completely and utterly abandoned to Gods will
True
But still
Still it is the greatest abomination to God and a condemnation to us all
So is it possible that any good could ever come from bringing harm to a baby? It doesnât seem so
Besides the fact aborted babies probably go straight to heaven, no
I hope so