Which is the old testament

that was my point.

I feel so much stupider for having to listen to the same answer given each time I asked for Fusion to back up his claim with any actual biblical evidence for these outlandish claims from outside books and sources not recognized its left me rather disappointed.

Im not the one saying the bible supports the claims here.

I think u mean the torah...or the biblical old testament which during the time of Jesus we know it as the "sptuagint". But yeah, they were originally jews before they followed Christ.

Im the one calling them out.

Lol lost some brain cells

the Torah is only the first five books

I see...okay.

The Tanach is the entire Old Testament

Yeah what superstone said

I mean if he pointed to John. 19:23 "And so I say unto you, pray to my momma so she may pray to me on your behalf and I will be more willing to hear your prayer rather than if you just prayed to me in the first place." That would have been a good verse.

or Luke 23:5 "So when you die, if you were not good enough, you will be placed in a waiting room until you have felt really bad about what you did wrong and then you will be let into heaven. Maybe."

Man which bible are u read <:KEK:795742276549607456>

The Catholic one.

apparently.

I had the same apprehension, but when u think that they're just dead bodily and their souls are in heaven alive and well. It kinda starts to make sense asking for help to other Christians here on earth and especially the ones that are defacto in heaven.

Jebediah 12:10 "And low, when you go to your gathering, go into a booth and tell an old man all your dirty little secrets so he can take you under the alter and purge your butt of all your sins."

IF you believe that a soul that has no body or mind anymore is able to really do anything for people and somehow inherited gods power to hear prayers aimed at them generally.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Lol...i don't think that's even bible. (Jebediah).😆

It's not. He's finally lost it

Gosh I wish people were versed in sarcasm around here.

though I suppose this is more of a satire now that I think about it.

Mercyism 1:1 "many will hear these words, but it will go right over their head, like wind over a bald man."

I don't think anything in the bible is that simple. Hopefully they're alive up there. For sure it isn't necromancy.

Uh no. They are dead.

Thats kind of the point.

Lol

be really awkward if you didnt.

I was only implying that those in heaven aren't intercessors or mediators, Jesus is the only mediator.

Yeah.

that was even in a verse "nobody gets to the father except through me."

Yeah, i agree. I don't think saints have that kind of pull up there. But we do pray for eachother here on this side of heaven. I guess folks on that side of heaven can pray for us too.

Well the debate/arguement (if you can even call it that e e) ended a long time ago and let it be know that their only argument was "Well do you think the bible is the only way to biblically confirm things? I have these saint books and one by Mary."

People do have various levels of understanding. Perhaps u could delve deeper into the topic into what their literatures say. At the end of the day, honestly go where the evidence takes u. @Mercy

I haven't been this disappointed since my sons birth.

I would think that a birth was a happy occasion. Lol

Well I am going to go dream. Maybe of someone who can actually keep up with an argument.

maybe.

Okay mercy...good night 👋