Catholics definitely

I you’re trying to talk to someone with a spirit of charity and evangelism, that is one thing. But if you’re just arguing to get your jollies off by winning, you’ve already lost. I think if anyone was thinking of becoming a Christian, and witnessed some of the things said last night, they would change their minds.... You can move mountains, but if you have not Love, you are a clashing gong.

"Judge them by their fruits" 😉

No

Not that kind of fruits @Jenjen 😜

To whom are you referring?

p.s. I think you meant evangelism.

No one in particular, but I accuse myself as well in what I said. But thanks for pointing out my grammatical error.

@Mercy No they are more alive in heaven than they have been on earth. Because their original nature has been fully restored.

No one is disagreeing on that issue, but on whether or not it is proper to pray to the saints in heaven.

Oh I see

Remember how Jesus taught the disciples how to pray, he taught them to pray to God.

Not Abraham or Moses.

Why have you summoned me?

Praying to God can come in many forms. I think that Praying to the saints to intercede for you to our lord is praying to God just indirectly.

But isn't Jesus our only intercessor?

When you say hes our only intersessor what do you mean?

I’ll start commotion, trust me

what about it do you misunderstand?

You mean a intercessor for our salvation to the father?

Yes, but actually, I should have said the Holy Spirit. That would be more accurate in this situation.

my bad.

Your Good

honest question: why should we pray indirectly to God?

why do you not pray directly to God?

Because there have been men and women who have laid down their lives for christ and have forsaken mothers, brothers,fathers, and sisters for the sake of the kingdom of god. And god has rewarded them with certain virtues

If we are truly in Christ, didn't his sacrifice open the veil and give us direct access to God? Is God too busy or not powerful enough to hear and respond to our prayers?

there fore when we pray to the saints we pray to those who have shed their blood for god and have been given these virtues BY GOD and so therefore we ask them to ask god to also give us these virtues

Not sure I follow.

Is that a catholic thing?

It seems like a bit of a leap.

Christ Opened the door for use to be saved. Because before christ is death there was absolutely no way we were gonna go to heaven because he hadent crushed the gates of hades yet and so therefore we coudnt go to heaven. Now since hes made a way for use to go and be with him in the kingdom we have to work our way there to heavenyl heights. So by praying to the saints to intercede for us in the heavenly heights we start to complete our salvation by acquring closeness to those who are in heaven with our lord along with our lord.

I'd also like to know where scripture supports that.

wait what?

@Supertonesfan91 Well i have to go for now but i sent you a friend request and maybe we can talk later. Good debate!

I am orthodox by the way

Gonna need some scriptural support for this statement, "Now since hes made a way for use to go and be with him in the kingdom we have to work our way there to heavenyl heights."

but I guess that can wait if you have to go.

No saints has no power,


NO ONE CAN GO THROUGH TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH Jesus!



Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 14:6

Your making saints as idols