Message from @Victorian

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2021-02-24 23:58:32 UTC  

of course you can't separate the American foreign policy from liberalism because that's one of our big tools

2021-02-24 23:58:35 UTC  

We gave them loans they payed back and it made us the largest economy on earth

2021-02-24 23:58:40 UTC  

doesn't mean the result would've been any different if we had some other set of ideas to rotate about

2021-02-24 23:58:48 UTC  

duh

2021-02-24 23:58:51 UTC  

Would matter immensely

2021-02-24 23:59:00 UTC  

are loans exclusive to liberalism?

2021-02-24 23:59:08 UTC  

Compare our success to Germany or Russias failure

2021-02-24 23:59:13 UTC  

why are you two arguing over alt hist hypotheticals

2021-02-24 23:59:19 UTC  

We aren't that much powerful we supported self determination

2021-02-24 23:59:42 UTC  

Germany failed because they didn't have the resources or logistics to support the war effort and their manufacturing was too convoluted

2021-02-24 23:59:45 UTC  

Nothing to do with their set of ideas

2021-02-25 00:00:07 UTC  

Their economy was a joke

2021-02-25 00:00:21 UTC  

A national socialist America would have destroyed a German republic

2021-02-25 00:00:59 UTC  

A national socialist America would collapse under domestic instability

2021-02-25 00:01:11 UTC  

How

2021-02-25 00:01:20 UTC  

Large minority populations?

2021-02-25 00:01:25 UTC  

lol Victorian is right on this one

2021-02-25 00:01:29 UTC  

Lack of clear racial identity

2021-02-25 00:01:40 UTC  

Not in the '30s

2021-02-25 00:01:41 UTC  

Large cultural value for freedom and self determination

2021-02-25 00:01:50 UTC  

Distrust for government

2021-02-25 00:02:00 UTC  

Yes in the 30's

2021-02-25 00:02:06 UTC  

Black people didn't just spawn in

2021-02-25 00:02:36 UTC  

You would assume that the government would not be competent enough to work with American cultural values

2021-02-25 00:03:02 UTC  

U cannot have a racially based totalitarian state that's compatible with American values

2021-02-25 00:03:03 UTC  

It is, after all, a national socialist movement and these are not necessarily all German larp festivals

2021-02-25 00:03:19 UTC  

You're not a national socialist right?

2021-02-25 00:03:33 UTC  

I am a Halo: Combat Evolved player

2021-02-25 00:03:41 UTC  

The fascist movement in America failed for the same reason it failed in Brittain

2021-02-25 00:03:50 UTC  

It just isn't compatible

2021-02-25 00:03:59 UTC  

Because the governments were already powerful enough and the masses had no real reason to change anything while they were on the top?

2021-02-25 00:04:14 UTC  

Fascism happened in Italy and NS in Germany because they were humiliated nations

2021-02-25 00:04:37 UTC  

Yes

2021-02-25 00:04:43 UTC  

That and Hitler

2021-02-25 00:04:47 UTC  

Nobody cared in Britain or America because those were the winning countries

2021-02-25 00:04:52 UTC  

Dude basically carried the right in Weimar

2021-02-25 00:05:04 UTC  

A winning country isn't immune to instability

2021-02-25 00:05:10 UTC  

The entire Weimar was going to dissolve into a shitshow regardless of what happened

2021-02-25 00:05:29 UTC  

Weimar could've stabilized there's examples of democracies pulling through worse

2021-02-25 00:05:44 UTC  

Greece, Italy come to mind

2021-02-25 00:05:47 UTC  

People were really pissed off, that is what propelled those movements, it was all of the incidence of the situation and much less to do with spontaneity due to culture