Message from @Victorian

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2021-02-24 23:58:08 UTC  

yeah because we bankrolled their entire reconstruction

2021-02-24 23:58:32 UTC  

of course you can't separate the American foreign policy from liberalism because that's one of our big tools

2021-02-24 23:58:35 UTC  

We gave them loans they payed back and it made us the largest economy on earth

2021-02-24 23:58:40 UTC  

doesn't mean the result would've been any different if we had some other set of ideas to rotate about

2021-02-24 23:58:48 UTC  

duh

2021-02-24 23:58:51 UTC  

Would matter immensely

2021-02-24 23:59:00 UTC  

are loans exclusive to liberalism?

2021-02-24 23:59:08 UTC  

Compare our success to Germany or Russias failure

2021-02-24 23:59:13 UTC  

why are you two arguing over alt hist hypotheticals

2021-02-24 23:59:19 UTC  

We aren't that much powerful we supported self determination

2021-02-24 23:59:42 UTC  

Germany failed because they didn't have the resources or logistics to support the war effort and their manufacturing was too convoluted

2021-02-24 23:59:45 UTC  

Nothing to do with their set of ideas

2021-02-25 00:00:07 UTC  

Their economy was a joke

2021-02-25 00:00:21 UTC  

A national socialist America would have destroyed a German republic

2021-02-25 00:00:59 UTC  

A national socialist America would collapse under domestic instability

2021-02-25 00:01:11 UTC  

How

2021-02-25 00:01:20 UTC  

Large minority populations?

2021-02-25 00:01:25 UTC  

lol Victorian is right on this one

2021-02-25 00:01:29 UTC  

Lack of clear racial identity

2021-02-25 00:01:40 UTC  

Not in the '30s

2021-02-25 00:01:41 UTC  

Large cultural value for freedom and self determination

2021-02-25 00:01:50 UTC  

Distrust for government

2021-02-25 00:02:00 UTC  

Yes in the 30's

2021-02-25 00:02:06 UTC  

Black people didn't just spawn in

2021-02-25 00:02:36 UTC  

You would assume that the government would not be competent enough to work with American cultural values

2021-02-25 00:03:02 UTC  

U cannot have a racially based totalitarian state that's compatible with American values

2021-02-25 00:03:03 UTC  

It is, after all, a national socialist movement and these are not necessarily all German larp festivals

2021-02-25 00:03:19 UTC  

You're not a national socialist right?

2021-02-25 00:03:33 UTC  

I am a Halo: Combat Evolved player

2021-02-25 00:03:41 UTC  

The fascist movement in America failed for the same reason it failed in Brittain

2021-02-25 00:03:50 UTC  

It just isn't compatible

2021-02-25 00:03:59 UTC  

Because the governments were already powerful enough and the masses had no real reason to change anything while they were on the top?

2021-02-25 00:04:14 UTC  

Fascism happened in Italy and NS in Germany because they were humiliated nations

2021-02-25 00:04:37 UTC  

Yes

2021-02-25 00:04:43 UTC  

That and Hitler

2021-02-25 00:04:47 UTC  

Nobody cared in Britain or America because those were the winning countries

2021-02-25 00:04:52 UTC  

Dude basically carried the right in Weimar

2021-02-25 00:05:04 UTC  

A winning country isn't immune to instability

2021-02-25 00:05:10 UTC  

The entire Weimar was going to dissolve into a shitshow regardless of what happened

2021-02-25 00:05:29 UTC  

Weimar could've stabilized there's examples of democracies pulling through worse

2021-02-25 00:05:44 UTC  

Greece, Italy come to mind