but a lot of them (for example the loyalists who moved to canada) considered themselves british first

after the revolution, loyalists migrated (actually got kicked out) to Canada

sure

but that was after the revolution took place

this is the conflict of identity

talking about the initial reasons for it

no way than actions of warfare can solve it

it will happen sooner or later

Americans will never be willing to vote for some representatives in Westminster

none of those living in the colonies wanted direct rule, but they were willing to wait for devolved powers to be granted to them

the Canadians, Australians and kiwis got dominion status sometime in the 30s

they didn't use violence to try and take those powers

fair enough, the Americans did

i just don't think it was worth spilling the blood of their fellows over

at first it is quite mild

but all the time things suddenly got heated

like explosion

no one planned a revolution from the beginning

but in the end, it had to be like this

i'd agree with that

the countries under britain's control only remained there for so long as britain had the power to keep them

as soon as british power waned every colony was pushing for independence or more autonomy

it's the fault of the british government for losing the power and influence required to maintain the empire

and another thing

founding fathers may first identify as proud subjects of British crown

but then they realize that the British tradition is corrupted

so they decide to segregate from that

at least britain and america have remained allies

been listening to the history of rome, fascinating stuff

very frustrating to look our statesmen and politicians today, when compared to even the most mundane leaders from history, no will to truly lead

i think in america this problem stems from our decaying homogeneity

how can you even earnestly lead a country like america and appeal to "the people" when half of them will eventually never agree with the interests of the other

in recent months i have grown further and further anti democracy

i think the most reasonable return into a real republic is to set maybe wealth and military service requirements for voting and serving an office

this wont completely eliminate minority and women voting but will reduce it

a repeal of race/gender suffrage directly would never pass for along time

The feasible way to do that is to limit the franchise to taxpayers

If you don't pay taxes you don't vote

even that is too broad i think

are all republics democratic?

maybe certain tax brackets