I suspect that the European empathy that made democracy work rose out of our individualism.

think about the kind of abstract thought, planning and coordination it takes to survive a pleistocene winter.

and to survive all the winters over millenia

I think we're capable of compassion, empathy, and communal cooperation without it having to be legally formalized

you wont like this but it could easily end up like the roman fire department that would light your house on fire and then buy it from you for pennies....im not saying light the others house on fire but if you come from a position of power like im the only one here who has a tractor so i set the terms of farming your land i say 2 percent...you dont have any power except farming yourself or in the example of rome going to find a bucket ...it doesnt usually work out in the end...take it with a grain of salt im not trying to rustle feathers but if you just want to go and own land with white neighbors there are a lot of places you can do that and i dont know how this would benefit anyone else

no jimmies rustled

im changing my name to thatdudeiscrazy hopefully you understand

lol

conversations like this are important to have

so, the idea of 'going in' on land is something i've considered, but with a more, how to say, american bent to it

because it helps us define our expectations

So if we find flaws in some ideas, it helps us come up with better ideas, like what your were doing in the <#359510713733218324> channel with me @thatdudeiscool

if we end up with, say, a dozen family units in the first wave, and we can all put up an equal stake in a venture, that buying power is magnified, but it would be done through equal shares in an LLC or something similar

yeah that's what I'm thinking

because to put houses and infrastructure up takes man power

yeah, but im not considering farming or ranching, im considering more current world development

I'd like a blend of both

the entire idea of 'the gated community' in our new home is meant as a promise, a favorable worst case scenario, where if everything else sucks, you live in a white, managed community with a city you can commute to for work

to expand upon that

what if you had a system as i said with the cost of admission being guaranteed to you on your way out like a share...you could get a small dividend as well if proposed, but besides the point...would you be fine with physically having control on only a small part of the land instead of an equal amoubt

im only using farming as an example where the community would need large parts of land ...but there will be needs for large parts of land not to be directly owned by anyone in particular

if those brave or willing or financially secure enough to go first can enter into this sort of a deal, they gain the benefit from that extra land that their combined buying power has purchased

even if it's selling plots to the second wave at fair profit and splitting that benefit

it becomes a secondary boon to both the process of shareholding in the LLC and being a first wave

im 100% against these agrarian handshake deals, because in my mind, the first land that we buy is the future homesites for the community at large, and i dont want to chase your pigs off my front lawn

i spoke with my friend in finance and we worked out something like a 25k admission cost with 500 a week draw down on that amount and that would get you basic shelter and food for a year until the money would be fully invested in the community and you would recieve permanent basic housing for life

thats the basic business principles of my idea...strange i know....it could work and is a simple starting point

yeah, that sounds interesting, but pretty far outside of the scope of what we've discussed for this project so far

I love that you're thinking that through

no seriously... it's a novel idea

I would never have come up with that

its weird

my worry is that my ideas are just inaccessible to the average person

granted if you were to end up say, buying ranching land on the outer limits of the township, that sounds like an old school apprenticeship buy-in

i mean its totally different from current sustem

that's fine

yeah i would say the same about the aprenticeship buy in

as long as the terms are well defined and property rights are respected

i dislike the idea of permanent anything in that sense though

and people have a future on the land, where they have opportunities to be economically productive and independent

sounds a lot like the rent control issues that high pop places end up with