Also we would habe to take a look at what tribalism really means.
I personally don‘t think tribalism is of great importance in this debate. The important thing about religion is mindset. And I would again point out that christians have a rather weak mindset generally speaking. This is not based on religious text or church doctrine and history, but rather on how christians behave today.

Yeah, this is basically my point. It's not entirely clear that a "athiest" society that didn't adopt a different belief system would be stable at all. The question is does the substituted belief system inherently require some sort of metaphysical or supernatural foundation to be effective in that role. I'm not sure it doesn't.

Exactly, if we can have a belief system, that doesn‘t need to lie to it‘s believers, that would be great.
If we look at the debate between Christianity vs Nordic Paganism, I would say we are mainly talking about testosterone. Christianity keeps testosterone in check, while Paganism let‘s it reign free. At least this holds true in the general interpretations. A thing right in the middle would be great, but I don’t think we have found that yet.

This also shows that science and religion are mostly conflicting.

I never said they didn't conflict. I just said that it doesn't take away from the fact that it's the backbone of western society.

Yeah, the others said that though.

Oh.

The problem is that religion is not sustainable in the long term, because people will see through the lies

I don't necessarily think of them as lies.

Well, but people do

That‘s what matters

To be sure, there are liars in the ranks, but the belief system itself is sincere.

And has a "truth" of it's own kind.

What I‘m saying is that people naturally drive towards atheism, because it makes more sense.

Atheism has increased rapidly since the scientific revolution.

I don't think so. It's far from the obvious for most people. At least in the US.

Well look at Europe

Actualy I think athiesm recently declined here.

What?

Don't quote me on that, I seem to remember seeing something recently.

Oh, atheists dont get a lot of kids?

That may be

No, just the pecentage of people that self identify on census and surveys and such.

Hmm

Maybe it was just a certain age group.

Or demographic.

Maybe because of the immigrants

There are a lot of credulous people out there.

And even with all the progress that been made in science, the vast majority of Americans are still religious.

And a good percentage of those I would consider "devout".

Yes, but they are becoming more secular.

So it's far from obvious that it's a natural position to hold.

It does not happen that fast, it takes a few generations.

There's something about the ideal of god, an entity that represents all of society's most revered traits and ethics, that seems almost necessary for a society to function.

I gtg

Ill read it later

Have a good evening. Gotta drive to the airport in a couple hours so I'm staying up.

>What I‘m saying is that people naturally drive towards atheism, because it makes more sense.
Literally questioned you and you cannot defend any of your belief. You are still parroting it.
>My son, you are adult now! Will you chose to use knowledge research and intelligence to further your belief? Or will you be an autistic screaching dogmatist?
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REEEEEEE My belief is logical. Christianity is declining because they are stupid dark age religion... Hurr Durrr -- @P14

>The problem is that religion is not sustainable in the long term, because people will see through the lies
You cannot defend any of your belief.

Btw, https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Atheist